Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem for the evangelicals

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  • #1893343
    jackk
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    Trump admitted yesterday in a speech in Oshkosh Wisconsin that he moved the embassy to Jerusalem for the evangelicals and that they are more excited about it than the Jews.

    His moving the embassy and his relationship with Israel is more complex than him simply being an Ohav Yisroel par excellence.

    #1893464
    Gadolhadorah
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    But not to worry…..the real evangelicals believe that for their “moishiach” to come, there needs to be some type of all-out war/Armageddon between Israel and its enemies so moving the Embassy, annexing land, and making any kind of solution with the Palestinians an impossibility is all part their master plan for a goiyeshe olam habah where yidden are cannon fodder for their desired outcome. When they say we are the “chosen people”, stop and inquire, “chosen” for what???

    #1893502
    Resident Mortal
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    His daughter and son in law is Jewish…

    #1893524
    1
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    He has to get their vote. Even if that’s true it’s something Jews support and Dems never did it.

    #1893564
    mdd1
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    Gadolhadorah, talking about our view of the situation, what is milchemes Gog’u’Magog?

    #1893576
    n0mesorah
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    Dear One,

    Only one Democrat in the senator (Robert Byrd WV) voted against the ’95 embassy act.And thirty two Democrats co sponsered it. (Including oneBiden, Joseph R., Jr. DE) And the resolution that commemorates the 50th anniversary of the reunification of Jerusalem was unanimous. Ever heard of Joe Lieberman?

    #1893600
    ☕️coffee addict
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    “Only one Democrat in the senator (Robert Byrd WV) voted against the ’95 embassy act.And thirty two Democrats co sponsered it. (Including oneBiden, Joseph R., Jr. DE) And the resolution that commemorates the 50th anniversary of the reunification of Jerusalem was unanimous. Ever heard of Joe Lieberman?“

    Do you understand his comment or are you just blabbing

    Never did it means never MOVED IT not never voted to move it

    Kicking a can isn’t a positive action

    #1893610
    Gadolhadorah
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    “what is milchemes Gog’u’Magog=???
    Actually, those are codewords for the ongoing battle at 770 Eastern Parkway between the traditional Chabad leadership and a bunch of young zealots who are trying to impose their radical view of the Rebbe as moishiach

    #1893611
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Coffee,

    Clinton said he supported it in principal. Bush was into it. Obama said something like, Jerusalem is the capitol of Israel. The Democrats supported it as much as the Republicans.

    #1893614
    1
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    N0mes0rah they didn’t carry it out. Trump got the job done.

    #1893615
    1
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    Obama believed in the pre-67 borders so he and the educated elites don’t consider Jerusalem to be the capitol.

    #1893630
    charliehall
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    The 1949 Armistice Line remains the *de jure* border of Medinat Yisrael.

    #1893650
    1
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    False

    #1893685
    akuperma
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    It helped Trump with several groups, including Evangelicals. It also reassured Israel that the US won’t demand a withdrawal to the 1947 partition boundaries (under which Jerusalem wouldn’t be part of Israel). In addition to Christians, much of Trump’s base sees the Palestinians as supporters of Islamic terrorism and the embassy move was a slap in the Palestinians’ face. As most Jews live in solid blue states, Jewish influence on American politics is minimal, so the decision to move the embassy wasn’t motivated by a desire to get Jewish votes.

    Given that he didn’t disown his daughter for converting, I would say he is definitely a friend. Most Democrats believe in “freedom from religion” as a public policy goal.

    #1893711
    Reb Eliezer
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    It says freedom of religion not freedom from religion in the constitutiion.

    #1893733
    1
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    and let’s not forget releasing Rubashkin from jail, something Obama the antisemite didn’t do.

    #1893743
    jackk
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    Trumps moving the embassy for the evangelicals means that he did not do it exclusively because he loves the Jewish people. He never would have been able to do it without the bi-partisan support and resolution that had previously been expressed for it by Democrats and Republicans. He does not get total credit for doing something that was based on previous governments.

    There were many reasons that the previous governments didn’t actually move the embassy. None of the reasons is because they were anti-semites. Most of them are because of the Arab/Palestinian situation cannot be ignored.
    Talk about ‘kicking the can down the road’, that is exactly what Trump did.
    He worsened the Arab/Palestinian situation and Israel (and America) needs to deal with it. They are currently dealing with the worsening situation. There is no Trump/Jared peace plan.

    Not everything that is supposedly a benefit for Israel is actually beneficial. A prime example of this is the Gaza withdrawal. Everything has 2 sides that must be weighed. The Oslo accords and the Peace Treaty with Egypt are further examples. Time will tell. 2 years is too short.

    Trump moved the embassy for the evangelicals , but the evangelicals don’t have much to show for their support of Trump. Some probably died due to Covid-19.The SCOTUS continues to rule against their values.
    Trump loves dictators and communists that have destroyed christianity in their countries.

    Even the move of the embassy is reversible. It’s just a building. Peace and Life are more important.

    #1893747
    CTLAWYER
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    @ 1
    @n0mesorah

    Jerusalem is NOT the CapitOl of Israel……………………………
    It is the CapitAl of Israel.
    The CapitOl is a building in Washington DC that houses the Senate and House of Representatives.

    BTW….Trump has released loads of criminals from Jail, both Jewish and non-Jews. This is not something I praise.

    #1893754
    1
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    CTL but as the democrat you are who supporrs criminal justice reform for black people you must admit in that case theat he got too harsh of a sentence. You know it.

    #1893757
    PROUD REPUBLICAN
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    @GadolHatorah please switch your username. You definitely don’t sound like a Gadol Hatorah

    #1893758
    PROUD REPUBLICAN
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    I see people have such hatred for Jews. Unbelievable!!!

    #1893762
    Reb Eliezer
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    If I would be you I would not be a proud republican who are only concerned for themelves and not for others as your president.

    #1893767
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Yawn

    #1893765
    Redleg
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    Reb Eliezer, this is what the U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1 says: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…” Note that freedom of religion includes freedom FROM religion.

    #1893764
    PROUD REPUBLICAN
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    @Reb Eliezer Can you explain how I’m concerned for myself and not for others ?

    #1893772
    Gadolhadorah
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    Proud Republican: I had considered changing the suffix in my username from “hador” to “hadorot” to highlight the multi-generational aspects of my creative and intellectual contributions but felt that might be perceived as ga’avah so decided to retain the status quo. Alternatively, consider modifications of your own since the terms “Proud Republican” these days seems to be the ultimate oxymoron.

    #1893774
    Reb Eliezer
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    I think that fhe constitutiion requires some religiion as Voltaire said if tbere was no G-d ch’v then we would have to create one. He recognized that the world cannot exist without G-d.
    Proud, the Republicans do not care about the poor. They say, if I give you charity, you will rely on it and let someone else give. They might give for the tax deductiion.

    #1893775
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Proud,

    There is no hate on this thread, and very little hatred for others on this site.

    Another disillusioned liberal.

    #1893781
    n0mesorah
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    Dear One,

    Obama publicly sated that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The only part he pressured for was the settlement freezes. Obama put less pressure on Israel than any other president.

    [It does not translate specifically into loving Jews, there was a lot more going on in the world.]

    Obama has a spotless record, with zero antisemitism. Hate, just wasn’t his thing. In general, he was a passive guy. Maybe if he had more of a spine, he could have done something good for the country.

    #1893784
    feinshmekker613
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    You are terribly ignorant of all the other gratuitously protective and pro Jewish moves that Trump has done. For example, forcing schools that get Federal funding not to discriminate against Jews. That has nothing to do with the Southern Baptists. You need to let go of the Democrat Party. It’s affecting your brain.

    #1893788
    Meno
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    Reb Eliezer

    the Republicans do not care about the poor. They say, if I give you charity, you will rely on it and let someone else give. They might give for the tax deductiion.

    I take offense at that statement.

    #1893792
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Reb Eliezer,
    Voltaire was saying that even an atheist would have to admit that it is easier to rationalize that there is a god, even if it is true that there is no God.

    The constitution requires at least some internal reckoning on the part of the individual. Same as any moral contract. The part of civilization that encourages us toward a self reckoning we call religion. Where has all the religious leadership gone? In the Sixties, the civil rights leaders were mostly ministers. Clergy had a tremendous impact on american culture. To the extent that the man on the streets political involvement was at the behest of his religious leadership. There is none of that now. So, thinking Americans self reckon about the constitution in accordance with the extant of their education. Which is another topic….

    Bottom line. If the religious have problems with American culture today, it because Americans had problems with the religious activities of yesterday.

    #1893800
    Reb Eliezer
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    Meno, prove me otherwise.

    #1893809
    Meno
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    Reb Eliezer,

    I consider myself a Republican and I give plenty of charity, much of which is not tax-deductible.

    I’m not sure how you could possibly make a general statement like that. Show me a Republican who doesn’t care about the poor and I’ll show you two Democrats who care even less.

    #1893827
    1
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    The charity that dems give to are to save the whales abortions etc.

    #1893857
    Reb Eliezer
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    Donald Trump, who does not care about the poor only himself.

    #1893874
    PROUD REPUBLICAN
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    @rebeliezer don’t think you should be talking. Do you know how much money Trump gave to Jewish Yeshivas shuls and organization’s? Even his father donated a property he had in queens for a shul because they had no money for one and he said no problem. So quite. And I’m sure If anyone needs money you can ask him and he’ll give you gladly like lots of people including myself that would give

    #1893886
    CTLAWYER
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    @1
    “CTL but as the democrat you are who supporrs criminal justice reform for black people you must admit in that case threat he got too harsh of a sentence. You know it.”

    If this was written in coherent English I might craft a proper reply………………………………
    BUT, I’ll attempt to understand your gibberish

    I support Criminal Justice Reform for ALL people, not just Blacks. I don’t believe in mandated minimum sentences, or three strike rules.

    I have no idea what a ‘case threat is’ and who got too harsh of a sentence.

    BTW>>>>I also would not restore Voting Rights to convicted felons, or allow those in prison serving time for felonies to vote.

    I don’t believe that the sole purpose of prison is to re-educate and make the prisoner ready to re-enter society. I believe a prison sentence should be punishment for having committed a crime.

    #1893890
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Fein,
    Not sure who you are calling ignorant. Trump’s executive order is a reiteration of 2010 guidance issued by the Obama administration aimed at providing a more expansive definition of antisemitism. Our constitutional rights were first recognized long before Trump came to office.

    #1893893
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Jack,
    It seems like your original point is uncontested. Moving the Embassy is not a symbol of his undying love for Jews. Though, it does not hold until Joseph starts giving us his take again.

    #1893907
    PROUD REPUBLICAN
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    @CTLAWYER we know your a lawyer we don’t need you correcting people English here. We’re not paying you to do that. And we all know how much junk you support

    #1893923
    Reb Eliezer
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    proud, If he is so charitable why was his charitable foundatiion desolved?

    #1893937
    CTLAWYER
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    @1
    You are an ignorant fool, who prints lies wiht no basis in truth.

    I am a lifelong Democrat, a Baal Tzedaka. I have never given charity toi support whales or abortion, neither have many Democrats I know.
    Besides Jewish organizations, I donate to our local Volunteer Fire Company, EMS, Food Pantry, Senior Services, College Scholarships for the poor, The local Catholic Hospital that saved Mrs, CTL’s life and where some of our grandchildren were born.

    If you were to take a poll of the 70 some odd members of my Democratic Town Committee, you would be hard pressed to find more than a dozen who have ever given a nickel to support abortion. The vast majority are Catholics whom oppose abortion, but don’t believe their religious beliefs should be civil law.
    Remember the First National Fundraiser for Planned Parenthood was Prescott Bush, father of President George HW Bush, Grandfather of President George W Bush, and US Republican Sentator from CT

    #1893939
    n0mesorah
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    Dear CTL,
    Good catch. Always appreciated.

    #1893945
    CTLAWYER
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    @Proud
    It;s important to point out mistakes. There is a huge difference between a Building in Washington DC and the seat of government of a country…much more than the choice of a vowel. The rest of his statement was incoherent.

    While we are talking about Accuracy…DJ Trump was a Democrat for years. He may have run on the R ticket, but most don;t view him as a Republican, but an opportunist

    #1893955
    n0mesorah
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    Dear CTL,

    It is okay. Proud is not much of a Republican either.

    #1894045
    CTLAWYER
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    @n0mesorah
    The Republican Party has changed greatly in my adult lifetime. Gone are the northeast liberal wing (Rockefeller, Keating, Lindsay, Weicker, etc). It was hijacked to the right by the evangelicals (Moral Majority) and the gun toting white supremacists. Today they leave no room in the party for differing viewpoints.
    I sit on a Democratic Town Committee, which doesn’t lean to the left. Most don;t support, women’s abortion rights, school vouchers, forcing low income housing into the suburbs, affirmative action. 100% support a national health plan, social security, medicare, medicaid, SNAP, WIC, DACA.

    Many members had parents or grandparents who arrived illegally and made a life in the US, but as white Europeans, it was easier yo pass., marry a citizen and remain.

    #1894103
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Ctlawyer,

    “Many members had parents or grandparents who arrived illegally and made a life in the US, but as white Europeans, it was easier yo pass., marry a citizen and remain.“

    They didn’t register in Ellis island?

    How did they become citizens?

    #1894145
    Reb Eliezer
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    N0mesora, I don’t care about Voltaire’s personal belefs but his saying which makes sense such that tbe writers of the Constitutiion with the amendments would institute about freedom of religiion.

    #1894162
    CTLAWYER
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    Many people did not come through Ellis Island. My family arrived before that existed.
    Foreign ships came to Boston, New Haven-and other ports. Sailors jumped ship or overstayed leave and melded into the population. They didn’t bother becoming citizen, they married a citizen and kids born here were citizens. Prior to 1980 it was easy to get a SS card. You could look at death notices in the newspaper archives and pick a baby or toddler of your sex who died. File for a SS card just by getting a birth certificate at town hall for 59 cents, didn’t have to show IF, get card, assume identity, use C and SS card to get license and even a passport.

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