September 12, 2022 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #2123599moishekapoiehParticipant
once jared is out of the picture, one way or another, hah, watch what that orange-haired demagogue will say about jews and israel ! you trump lovers don’t know what’s in store for you. abandon his ship, while you still have a drop of dignity in you – altho how you can have any dignity left after your hero led the jan 6 insurrection, your hero plead the 5th over 60 times, your hero took home top secret documents, that if you so much as took out folders simply labeled ‘confidential, you’d still be languishing in jail, your hero had 4 years to build a southern wall but did nothing while claiming mexico was going to pay for that wall….must i go on? i dont think so, just thinking of this dangerous moron makes my blood boil…..September 12, 2022 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #2123716
>>> just thinking of this dangerous moron makes my blood boil…..
By reading your posts on the topic I was able to tell even without you telling us …
I’m not going to debate your perception and beliefs about Trump but I will give you one piece of advice coming from Rav Avigdor Miller ztzl
If you want peace of mind don’t read the newspapers. They are going to tell you that hooligans are running wild in frum neighborhoods. They are going to tell that if this politician gets elected the world will come to an end. They are going to fill your minds with all sorts of serious sounding problems that you otherwise never would have heard of but now you can do nothing about…
That was over forty years ago when newspapers still had some standards. Today the media and even more so the social media are just straight fear mongering and manipulation to those who take them seriously. So DON’T take them seriously . Not even what even they tell you about Trump…September 12, 2022 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #2123719GadolhadorahParticipant
The story about “dumping” Kushner in favor of Bannon came from a per-publication edition of just one more Trump “tell all” book by Peter Navarro….one of the truly crazy Trumpkopfs among a vast cast of crazies. If you want to sell books about Trump in today’s world, where there already are 20-25 such books by high level Trumpkopfs (including Kushner’s new book) you have to come up with some NEW story about how crazy the boss was and what YOU did (or tried to do) to save the world from his meshugaas.September 12, 2022 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #2123721
I agree 100% with moish. I accept Rav Miller’s point, but also realize that there is occasionally news that is consequential and worth paying close attention to. Refusing to step down from the presidency is big news and it is dangerous path. Keep in mind that anti-Trumpers warned since 2016 that Trump would probably refuse to step down from the presidency. They were right. Trump had a alluded to this possibility a few times during his presidency. When Hitler yamach shmo canceled elections in 1943 it was also worth paying attention to. I do not mean to compare the 2 in terms of policy or danger. But a dictatorial mind is a dictatorial mind. Like any leader with fascist tendencies, Trump showed again and again he’s willing to boot any person or group based on what’s in his interest, not based on stability of or nation.September 12, 2022 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #2123733
>>> Refusing to step down from the presidency is big news and it is dangerous path.
And so is making up trying to get rid of the president by making up stories about Russian collusion interference in elections and making up fake documents like The Steele Dossier.
I’m 100% confident that the prospects of the Democrats doing that again doesn’t frighten you in the slightest. So don’t worry about Trump either. Based on his age and health he won’t be active in politics in five years from now (though the Democrats will probably still be using his as a bogey man and scapegoats) The people involved in the Russian collusion story still will be.September 12, 2022 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #2123744
By the way smerel: I find your comments don’t push anything forward. On one hand you’ve taken on pro-Trump stances, bash democrats, and seem generally ambivalent about whether eroding democracy is a concern. On the other hand, you don’t like Trump either. And now you tell people not to mind much about anything you read in the news. Yet you participate in this forum. I highly doubt your participation is to just tell people not to care. My hunch is you are still developing your “way?” If you are reading the news and desire a true opinion, I suggest reading news from all sides. Practice listening, and develop and constantly test your ideals. What is your ideal society in a country of hundreds of millions of people from all over the world?September 12, 2022 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #2123745akupermaParticipant
I don’t think that under American law a father can order his daughter to divorce her husband. The Romans allowed that, but that aspect of law never survived the medieval period.September 12, 2022 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #2123749
The dossier may have been faulty. But it was correct that Trump’s team had many secretive meetings with Russians and Putin favored Trump. The fact that just about every member of Trump’s team lied about its contacts with Russians is telling SOMETHING was going on. For you to defend Trump for this reason yet overlook numerous equally or worse anti-American behaviors of Trump… well that’s I guess what I find puzzling about Trump supporters. I just don’t understand.September 12, 2022 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #2123758
I think I’m pretty consistent in saying that (1) with all Trump’s many faults his adversaries frequently (usually?) are not the good guys, the honest guys, or the people who care about the best interests of the US in the many conflicts they start with him or (2) all the false accusations and investigations into Trump do not absolve him from the things that he has done that were wrong (3) both sides are lying to you (4) with all the screaming “cultist” and other such insults at Trump supporters it seems to me that at least in CR it is Trump’s opponents who seem to hold a much stronger grip on those who side with them than Trump does.
Had someone started a thread similar to this one expressing such terror of Joe Biden and Democrats (who other than being born with a better personality isn’t someone I think of as being morally superior to Trump) I would have said the same comment.September 12, 2022 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #2123769moishekapoiehParticipant
Smerel- you state ‘other than being born with a better personality (Biden) isn’t someone I think of as being morally superior to Trump’
Well, how many of Biden’s appointees are now in jail?
And how many of Trump’s appointees are NOT in jail ?
case closed.September 13, 2022 9:19 am at 9:19 am #2123918akupermaParticipant
Big deal, Xi and Putin manage to keep almost all opposition leaders in jail. It’s just American exceptionalism to think the US should be any different – and starting with Obama, the Democrats are clearly opposed to America being exceptional. Things like “Rule of Law” and “Dur Process” are as old fashioned as all the other archaic concepts in the Bill of Rights that the WOKE elites want cancelled.September 13, 2022 9:55 am at 9:55 am #2123948LostsparkParticipant
Why are yidden surprised when goyim with malchus akum act like goyim with malchus akum?
This will to power is present on both sides, and I’m afraid our obsession with it on feeds it. I’m guilty of it to but am trying to ignore it more.September 13, 2022 11:53 am at 11:53 am #2124019
Lostspark: Generally agreed that goyim will be goyim. But there is no denying that Trump has gone to the extreme, for example, to stay in power, the likes of which we’ve never seen in U.S. history. It’s too general to say this extreme is on both sides. Gore filed suit against Bush but respected the court’s decision against him. So this does warrant special attention and the truly patriotic need to speak up to preserve national stability, which we’ve always benefited from. Criticizing Trump “feeds” it a bit because it keeps Trump in the news, which he thrives on. But again, we need to call it out. What really feeds it are the Trump cultists who are egging him on. ALL of Trump’s advisors and campaign officials agree it was a fair election. So his supporters are what keeps him feeling powerful and talking.
Smerel: yes, I agree you are consistent on those talking points. Point #3 is a matter of degree, as I write above. Politicians lie and are self-interested. But none are SO self-interested that they are willing to manufacture conspiracy theories and ignore votes.
I don’t understand your #4. Anti-Trumpers have more power over Trump supporters than Trump does?September 13, 2022 9:04 pm at 9:04 pm #2124277johnkletsParticipant
This is al shtusim. Trump never tried to stay in the white house, on the contrary he packed up and left like a tatele and even did not say goodbye or welcome to Biden. He just said some things a loud that other politicians would be careful to say only in private. That is his nature, and because he is on the wrong side of the spectrum he is suffering for it.September 13, 2022 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #2124307Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
I found an unbiased source that validates Jared’s work (biased the other way to be precise). Albert Bourla, Pfizer, wrote a book about vaccine development. His language overall shows that his thinking is generally center-left. He is careful not to bash people and is putting some praise and some blame on people, but not too much. He also makes a lot of lame excuses for moments when he did not do something possibly for partisan reasons.
He describes how Trump made a quick meeting of business people when Covid just started, says that while most people taked about drugs, his rep mentioned vaccines and Trump immediately supported that (B seemed to have an excuse to not come to the meeting). Then, he does not mention T until describing in detail T’s attempt to get test results before elections and mentioning that T was an only head of state that did not congratulate him on that. So, definitely, no love lost.
So, he mentions that (way after the election), he was having problems with some gov people buying additional vaccines late (despite B’s telling them before) and trying to get him into new contract negotiations and lose months on that. So, Jared heard about it and called him on his cell unprompted, asked to describe the issues, agreed that gov was not doing the right thing, and resolved the issue in several days.
Other tidbits from the book:
very positive on Bibi: Bibi called him during Israeli night without scheduling like all others; teleconned all lawyers and resolved problems on the spot; worried about B’s own taking vaccine; worked out a deal to get vaccines in exchange for being a “test country” by providing large-scale statistics. This data helped identify onset of Delta early in June 2021 and prove that efficacy against Delta falls with time, leading to immediate decision on boosters (Fauci first got angry about conclusions made without him, but then agreed). Bennett was also knowledgeable. B; has also a lame excuse that his 2nd vaccine (that he controlled timing of) was given too late to pass Israeli law – so he did not come to Israel before election that Bibi lost…
– positive on Boris Johnson (also knowledgeable and pro-active), EU President von der Layen (she is now in trouble in EU for helping him go around EU long paperwork), Pence (called after election to thank, did not mention the late results after election).
– in love with Biden (2 pictures, Jill touched him once …) but does not mention any specific action.
Mentions several episodes when Biden’s team undermined him (agreeing with WHO to give away IP), but no attempt to work with Biden on these …
– Kamala is mentioned only in 3rd person (unfortunately, some politicized the vaccine before the election …)
– stories about his Greek Jewish families escaping Shoah
– not only Bourla is Jewish, so is his head of product development (from Sweden), they both hesitated for a moment to use Israel as the test country, thinking that they can be accused of something here …
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