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October 6, 2020 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #1907439Tachles1Participant
With MILLIONS of Americans hurting financially, how can this be justified? To hold the country hostage for a second stimulus check is immoral.October 6, 2020 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #19074961Participant
Pelosi like the 1st time stuffed things in that have nothing to do with a stimulusOctober 7, 2020 12:11 am at 12:11 am #1907541
Trump proved throughout his entire adult life that traditional morality and compassion are for other people. He only cares about himself and his family members, not about anyone else.
The real scandal is that so many supposedly moral religious people are continuing to support him. This could destroy traditional religion in America.October 7, 2020 12:30 am at 12:30 am #1907553Sam KleinParticipant
Stimulus check or not everyone’s total income has already been decided on rosh hashanah this year by Hashem the king of kings ruler of the world.
Worker fully employed or learning in kollel every person is going to be making the same exact same amount of money that Hashem declared for them this year on Rosh Hashanah. And if it doesn’t come through a country stimulus check them it will come in so many other ways. From a gift check from the in laws or a nice bonus from your boss at work etc…. The important thing we all need to remember is that Hashem runs the United States and entire world for that matter and it’s not run by Donald Trump and the congress etc…. Making a decision if there will or will not be a stimulus check this time.
Start working on your faith and trust in Hashem and stop depending on others thinking they have the power to save you or make you rich. From rebbe’s to segulahs to doctors and lawyers etc…. Only Hashem can help you and we all need to turn DIRECTLY TO HASHEM FOR HELPOctober 7, 2020 12:36 am at 12:36 am #1907555
Again Charlie I will ask you,
Why is it not a scandal regarding Clinton?
A man whose personal life make Trump look like a scandal.
A man who was a featured speaker at this years Democrat convention?October 7, 2020 2:42 am at 2:42 am #1907572Avi KParticipant
Actually Trump said that he supports another check. However, money does not grow on trees. Someone will have to pay this bill.October 7, 2020 9:16 am at 9:16 am #1907617CTLAWYERParticipant
Stop living in the past
Clinton is NOT running for office
Former Presidents are routinely asked to speak at political conventions.
In Trump;s case, the living former Republican President refused to have anything to do with his candidacy and would not speak, had he been asked.
Stop deflecting and deal with reality. The candidates are Biden and TrumpOctober 7, 2020 9:18 am at 9:18 am #1907630Reb EliezerParticipant
The economy requires this but who is paying for the tax cut for the rich?October 7, 2020 9:19 am at 9:19 am #1907629meshuga1Participant
“Near the market close on Tuesday, President Donald Trump said he opposed House Democrats’ $2.4 trillion virus relief stimulus bill. The market reacted negatively as this implies that there will not be another round of fiscal stimulus to aid the economy until after the election.”
So there will be another stimulus, just not now. Misleading title “Trump says no more stimulus”.October 7, 2020 10:23 am at 10:23 am #1907674JacobLevParticipant
Trump is acting in his usual transactional manner by trying to bribe people to vote for him. He is implying if you don’t vote for him and he doesn’t win, there will be no stimulus after the election.October 7, 2020 10:24 am at 10:24 am #1907672GadolhadorahParticipant
“Trump Says…blah, blah, blah”
Any correlation between what the Trumpkopf says (aka tweets) at one moment with what he DOES is as close to zero as statistically insignificant can be. He blindsided Munchkin who was about to get on a call with Pelosi to negotiate, than no negotiations on ANY stimulus, than several hours later he might accept “targeted” stimulus. His normal veracity seems to be further impaired by the drugs he is taken for the virus that was supposed to have magically disappeared several months ago.October 7, 2020 10:51 am at 10:51 am #1907680jackkParticipant
White House’s Larry Kudlow on Trump cutting off talks: “We’ve only got four weeks to the election, & we have a justice of the Supreme Court to get passed. It’s too close to the election — not enough time to get stuff done at this stage in the game”
He has no time to help Americans during a pandemic and get his SCOTUS pick elected.
So he does away with relief for Millions of Americans who need help today. (Remind me which party cares about Americans again.)
In the Trump era money does grow on trees for the Federal Government. He is going to give the wealthy another tax break if he wins election.
The deficit is 3.3 trillion dollars this year and not a peep from a single republican. (unless we are talking about money for healthcare or education.)October 7, 2020 11:13 am at 11:13 am #1907684
Let me get this straight for months now Pelosi has refused to negotiate at all.
She now comes to the table with a proposal that all Republicans ( and any sane individual) rejected months ago.
Trump says We are still uninterested not interested .
And he is the problem?October 7, 2020 11:14 am at 11:14 am #1907682
I am not deflecting nor living in the past.
I am addressing the glaring hypocrisy and utter lack of honesty.
Charliehall has taken to insinuating that there is crisis in Orthodoxy because most Orthodox Jews are pro-trump who has personally led an immoral lifestyle.
I am curious to know why this issue did not concern him with Clinton?October 7, 2020 11:50 am at 11:50 am #1907698
“Let me get this straight for months now Pelosi has refused to negotiate at all.”
Wrong. She got a stimulus bill through the House back in May; neither the White House nor the Senate Republicans were willing to talk at all.October 7, 2020 11:51 am at 11:51 am #1907702
“She now comes to the table with a proposal that all Republicans ( and any sane individual) rejected months ago.”
Sane individuals realize that it is too small a stimulus. The Fed has printed seven trillion dollars to prop up the stock market. The rest of us are left to suffer.
Send every American a $10,000 check. Now. That will still be less than half what the Fed has done to prop up the stock market.October 7, 2020 11:51 am at 11:51 am #1907701
“So there will be another stimulus, just not now.”
Only if Biden is elected and the Democrats take control of the Senate. The Senate Republicans are opposed to any further actions to help anyone.October 7, 2020 11:51 am at 11:51 am #1907700
“I am curious to know why this issue did not concern him with Clinton?”
It did. I publicly said that Clinton should resign for lying about having an affair.
But Clinton only had affairs. Trump has well founded charges of sexual assault against him. He is on tape suggesting to his mistress whom he had knocked up that she have an abortion. He paid hush money to a mistress.
But the worst immorality of all is Trump’s decades long history of cheating in business. Chazal say that business fraud is a more grievous sin that sexual transgressions. And Trump is particularly brazen about this.
That we still support him makes us look like hypocrites.October 7, 2020 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #1907720
First off regarding Clinton per se.
He was accused by numerous women of actual assault. He was proven to have had an affair with an intern working for him when he was President of the United States , that is considered abuse by any standards.
Trump actually has had zero “well founded charges” of assault against him.
Regarding the hypocritical charge.
I am sorry but morals are defined by the Torah.
The Torah defines same gender marriage as an abomination.
The pro-abortion stand of the Democrat party is nothing less then being pro-murder.
The stance on looting and other matters taken by a large swath of the party “property damage is ok” is akin to condoning outright theft.
Yes President Trump has issues with personal morality.
I, for one regard most politicians as liars until proven otherwise.
In this case we have two men who are proven to be comprimised morally runnign against each other.
In fact Joe Biden picked a VP, Kamalal Harris, who admitted to having an affair with her boss, which her boss the noted tight winger Willie Brown, confirmed played a role in her advancement
However while Presidents Trumps personal morals are suspect he is not trying to take take the country down with him, in fact he has a track record of appointing Judges who are respectful of G-d.
Biden on the other hand…..October 7, 2020 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #1907749jackkParticipant
Trump has taken 210,000 Americans down with him.
That is his track record. Not protecting Americans during a pandemic.October 7, 2020 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1907817
I am kind of curious
According to the official stats over 800,000 people died in coutries where Trump was not President
Did he kill them also?
Many countries are now getting what they call a second wave they include Isreal, France, & england.
Is Trump the reason for that also?October 8, 2020 1:29 pm at 1:29 pm #19081841Participant
How many people died of the flu under Obama?October 8, 2020 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #1908195
“He was accused by numerous women of actual assault. ”
Liar. The only somewhat credible allegation was by Juanita Brodderick, and she denied the allegation under oath. Clinton is a seducer, not a rapist.
Retract your motzi shem ra.October 8, 2020 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1908205
“How many people died of the flu under Obama?”
The largest number in any year was about 51,000. Trump surpassed that in his first year, with 61,000. COVID is obviously far more deadly.October 8, 2020 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1908316
a) Sorry to disapoint but the dinim of motzi shem ra hardly apply to Clinton according to any way of looking at it.
b) What he did with Lewinsky is considered by many to be assualt.
Clinton was President of the United States, she was a 22 year old girl who worked for him.October 8, 2020 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #1908202
“The Torah defines same gender marriage as an abomination.”
No it doesn’t. It defines one particular act of sex between men as an abomination. Other abominations include idols, eating non kosher animals, using a harlot’s wages or profits from sale of a dog to pay for a Temple offering, cross dressing, remarrying your ex wife when she has been married to another man in between, and using false measures to cheat in business. (Trump has personally done the last one, falsifying the value of his assets.)
“The pro-abortion stand of the Democrat party is nothing less then being pro-murder.”
Abortion isn’t murder but the anti-abortion stand of the Republican Party is even more problematic for Jews as it would kill Jewish women who would not be able to get medically necessary abortions.October 8, 2020 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #1908323
If that is the way good scientits work then here goes
On Oct. 4, 2020, three preeminent experts — Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University; Dr. Sunetra Gupta, an epidemiologist at Oxford University; and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a physician and epidemiologist at Stanford University
They state the following
a) Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short- and long-term public health.
b) Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.
c) Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young, low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
The entire article was published in the NYPOSt a postscript states
Since the declaration was published, more than 2,000 public-health scientists and more than 2,000 medical practitioners have signed it,
Since this article has been published I am eager for the bashing of Dem for keeping lockdowns in place to begin.October 8, 2020 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #1908347
a) So you are taking the position that the Democrat party is pro same gender marriage but against that act?
b) Again Trump is a non-Jew, but if for arguments sake you would treat him as a Jew. There is no Conclusive evidence in the form of witnesses who have testified in front of a Court of law and been verified. In addition he has gone to great lengths to keep his business affairs private. As such Believing them is a form of accepting is accepting Motzi Shem Ra and spreading them constitutes spreading Motzi Shem Ra.
(Again this is as opposed to Clinton who actually admitted to his wrongdoing in Court)
c) The Republican Stance is that Federal Courts have no right to decide these matters, it is for the States.
How exactly is that problematic for Jews?October 8, 2020 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #1908353
Again what these thousand of Doctos & Scientists are saying is that the Data has proven lockdown are not simply bad policy.
They Are Dangerous.
They Are Killing people.
They Are harming people.
So Coumo, De Blasio, Whitmer Murphy and Other Dem politicians are forcing policies that are proven killers.October 8, 2020 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1908476
“What he did with Lewinsky is considered by many to be assualt.”
Only by people who don’t know the definition of the term. They were both adults and they were both agreeable to the affair.October 8, 2020 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1908477
“the Data has proven lockdown are not simply bad policy.
They Are Dangerous.
They Are Killing people.
They Are harming people.”
All false.October 8, 2020 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1908479
“Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University; Dr. Sunetra Gupta, an epidemiologist at Oxford University; and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a physician and epidemiologist at Stanford University”
Dr. Kulldorff is actually a biostatistician. I used to work with him! He is wrong on this. And note that this was published in the trashy New York Post, not any medical journal.
A controlled experiment was actually done. Sweden didn’t lock down. Its death rate from COVID-19 is far higher than any of its demographically similar neighbors, which did. 5x that of Denmark, 9x that of Finland, 11x that of Norway. No lockdowns and we could easily have a million deaths now in the US. We certainly would have had tens of thousands of more dead here in NYC.October 8, 2020 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1908480
Trump now says he wants a big stimulus package, throwing under the bus all his trolls who had backed him on rejecting one.October 9, 2020 7:21 am at 7:21 am #1908506
There are 3 major names you qoute and disagree with one.
There are over 2000 public health scientists and medical practitioners who agree.
How does publicizing it in the NY POST make it any less true?October 9, 2020 7:53 am at 7:53 am #1908509
Regarding Kuldorffs qualifications
Martin Kulldorff, PhD, weighs in. Dr. Kulldorff also presents a balanced picture of where Sweden made mistakes in their response.
Kulldorff is a biostatistician in the Division of Pharmacoepidemiology and Pharmacoeconomics at the Brigham and Women’s Hospital + Harvard Medical School. He has long been working in infectious disease outbreaks, detection of new disease outbreaks, and developing novel epidemiological methods.
He has developed new sequential statistical methods for near real-time post-market drug and vaccine safety surveillance, where the purpose is to use weekly, monthly or other frequent data feeds to find potential safety problems as soon as possible.
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