November 10, 2020 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #1918518
There was tremendous support and unprecedented enthusiasm for Donald Trump from the frum community, from motorcades, rallies, lawn signs Etc. I don’t remember a President ever receiving such broad support that cut from MO to Ultra Chasidish. I guess having frum people working in the west wing, a son in law who grew up amongst us, the favorable policies that he pushed such as Israel, commutation of SM Rubaskin, Iran deal, Etc. resulted in that support.
What is interesting is the seismic shift in voting Republican in the Frum olam [excepting the villages of New Square and KJ who vote what is best for the village and Riverdale and UWS who maintain a until death do we part relationship with the Democratic Party].
Jerry Nadler lost the 48th AD to a nobody who didn’t campaign 17000 to 3700 and lost the Brooklyn part of his district, Jeffries, Clarke and Valaquez all lost in the frum parts of the district against token opposition, Felder got more votes on the Republican party then on the Democratic, Eichenstein got more votes on the Conservative line then on the Democratic. in Rockland Jones lost in all the frum districts, Weber won all with exception of New Square, and Lawler beat Jaffe 3,4,5 to 1 in the frum areas.
I was talking to my friends and they told me there is a change in thinking by the younger generation our grandparents were ingrained to vote Democratic from the minute they left the ship and the young generation shifted to the GOP.
What are your thoughts on this?November 10, 2020 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #1918608charliehallParticipant
“Riverdale and UWS who maintain a until death do we part relationship with the Democratic Party”
Riverdale voted for Bloomberg in all three his mayoral campaigns.November 10, 2020 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #1918612jackkParticipant
If you have ever listened to Harav Avigdor Miller zt”l, (Passed away 20 years ago) you will know that the frum oilam was always told to vote Republican.
This is not a chidush. There was no change in thinking.
The chidush is the excitement and unprecedented enthusiasm.November 10, 2020 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1918614emes nisht shekerParticipant
It is interesting that frum society has grown and benefitted all these years voting democrat and now when the company is thriving as never before it turns to the republican party. Playing politics and trying to build a bloc that would, if successful, change fundamentally the state does not seem a healthy place for religion to be.November 10, 2020 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #1918673
@CharlieHall,Bloomberg was a democrat who use the GOP as a flag of convenienceNovember 11, 2020 9:19 am at 9:19 am #1918849smerelParticipant
This isn’t unique to the frum.
Pretty much all non-Islamic religious groups strongly support Trump nd the Republicans.
Even the Amish who don’t vote unless they feel threatened by a candidate supported Trump.
It’s not really Trump support as much as the recognition that the Democrats are becoming increasingly hostile to religion so it is of prime importance to have Republicans in office.
The Muslims are the exception because liberal beliefs require making an exception to their general view of religion and respecting IslamNovember 11, 2020 10:13 am at 10:13 am #1918886WithheldParticipant
If you say that it is not only the Jews that support trump, it is also other religions then how do you explain why trump lost? Even though you say that Muslims are an exception, Muslims are not the majority of the country, so who are all these millions of people who voted Biden?November 11, 2020 11:24 am at 11:24 am #1918915
@smerel and withheld, this is not about the frum/ Jewish support of Trump vs other ethnic groups but the huge shift of support by frum to the GOP down ballot that never occurred before, for example Jerry Nadler was trounced in Boro Park 17,000 to 3,700 by a nobody who never campaigned. Was it because Nadler took a lead roll in the impeachment, came out against the embassy move and in favor of the Iran deal or is it a shift in the default allegiance to the GOP?November 11, 2020 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #1918974Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
>> who are all these millions of people who voted Biden
Both candidates attracted record number of voters. As was Trump wish, he achieved multiple records: people who voted for him, people who voted against him;
biggest market jump when elected; biggest market jump when market thinks he was defeated ….
it is possible that part of the voting increase is due to Covid – mail voting, people working at home and reading news all the time. Still, it seems enthusiasm on both sides was very high.
going forward, there is a difference though:
Trump energized several clusters of voters using specific ideas – list of Justice, building a wall, Israeli embassy, low regulations, etc.
Dems energized their voters by making them hate Trump and keeping themselves out of the news. That is why Biden would not answer any questions about his policies, as any answer he did give alienated someone even as he tried not to [no fracking, but only on federal lands].
So, Dems will have hard time going forward trying to make everyone happy.That is why the main call is to “unite” without specific policy references.November 11, 2020 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1919001
@always ask questions, and what exactly does that explain the huge shift to the GOP for other candidates?November 11, 2020 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1919180Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
>> huge shift to the GOP for other candidates
I don’t think there was much of a shift. If you saw exit polls showing otherwise, let me know.
Both sides brought people who did not vote last time.
Maybe the switch, or abstained, voters are those that are the difference between other GOP candidates and Trump, and they made a big difference. Some argue that Trump’s policies and achievements without his personality would have more votes, but it is not clear whether many voters would show up without his personality. Mitt had a pleasant personality but it did not get him enough votes.November 12, 2020 12:25 am at 12:25 am #1919195
“Some argue that Trump’s policies and achievements without his personality would have more votes, but it is not clear whether many voters would show up without his personality. Mitt had a pleasant personality but it did not get him enough votes.”
I don’t think you got that right. Trump without the personality would not have the Mitt Romney problem. If Trump was Trump without the Trump personality (if you can imagine), his lack of policies and achievements would be obvious for all the world to see. No one would vote for him, not because he was too bland or unpopular, but because he was too incompetent. The zombies see the bombast as policies and achievements. The rest of us see a bombastic incompetent loser.November 12, 2020 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1919204
“I was talking to my friends and they told me there is a change in thinking by the younger generation our grandparents were ingrained to vote Democratic from the minute they left the ship and the young generation shifted to the GOP.”
I don’t think our grandparents saw the partisan divide in religious terms. My guess is that civil rights contributed to aligning white Christianity along the political spectrum so that issues like abortion became partisan and reinforced the divide. If I read between lines of a certain influential orthodox rabbi correctly, it seems that 1960’s culture followed by rising crime showed moral decay not shared by the square republican conformists. There’s also the fact that after a few generations of settling down and accumulating wealth, tax policy and small government become more important than what democrats had to offer.
Of course that doesn’t explain the blind attachment to an immoral (and profligate) president and by extension an immoral party over the last few years. For that you have resort to color war where you pick (or are assigned) a team that you root for no matter how corrupt or destructive they turn out to be. I assume that people in Houston still root for the Astros for the same reason. How insane is that.November 12, 2020 6:33 am at 6:33 am #1919243
@se2015, “Of course that doesn’t explain the blind attachment to an immoral party over the last few years.”
Yup that is probably it, there was a blind attachment to the Democrats that still exists in certain parts of MO and secular Jewish community, the Democrat’s attracted every immoral tilth and the Frum voted for them anyway holding the nose [ with the exception of Rav Avigdor Miller ztl and a small group of his followers], We watched as those who hate us being welcome in open arms into the Democratic Party till this year they said enough is enough and swung to the GOPNovember 12, 2020 6:36 am at 6:36 am #1919237
@alwaysaskquestions,” I don’t think there was much of a shift. If you saw exit polls showing otherwise, let me know. Both sides brought people who did not vote last time.”
Read what I wrote “What is interesting is the seismic shift in voting Republican in the Frum olam”
I am not talking about exit polls in Oskosh WI. Kalamazoo Mi or Pine Bluff Ar. I am talking about right here in our frum community, and it happened, read my first post about the results.November 12, 2020 9:35 am at 9:35 am #1919283
Common, that was my first paragraph, but it didn’t happen overnight. You went to bed with George w bush and woke up to trump.November 12, 2020 10:10 am at 10:10 am #1919310
@se2015, your wrong, it did have overnight , for some reason you are focusing at the national level, take Jerry Nadler for example he always won big in Boro Park from the year he was he was elected and now a unknown who didn’t campaign won BP 17,000 to 3,700, Monsey usually votes Democratic and went GOP 3 to 1 for down ballot people
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