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  • #1649684

    Haimy
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    I had high hopes for president Trump & continue to wish him success. I don’t think he has the temperament & maturity to deserve a second term. He backstabs all his former cabinet members & can’t seem to defer to their expertise. We owe him tremendous hakaras hatov for pardoning SM Rubashkin & being friendly to E Y. He is so much better than a Hillary Clinton or Obama but we need to return to civility, consensus building, & predictable governance. I think it’s very unlikely for him to be re elected based on his low poll numbers & increasingly go it alone leadership. I hope a popular Republican runs in the primary & wins the next election. Mike Pence would make a good candidate.

    #1649846

    laskern
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    He forgets when it comes to Syria the saying, nature abhors a vaccum.

    #1649854

    Gadolhadorah
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    You are correct that Yidden should be thankful for the few positives achieved by the Trump administration but you correctly note that these are the exceptions. The economy is beginning to tank (as many predicted), the Stock Market is DOWN since the tax bill became law, we have alienated EVERY ally in the world except for the countries run by Trumpkopf wannabes (Turkey, Philippines, Saudi Arabia) and of course Russia and North Korea. The deficit is expanding out of control since the tax cut but suddenly Republicans say it doesn’t matter. Most of the responsible members of the cabinet have been fired or resigned, others have been forced to resign over lying and stealing from public ffunds leaving dunces like Carson, Dev Vos etc to run the show Mueller hasn’t even reported yet. Most of all, the racist stench and vulgarity emanating from the Oval Office has resulted in a massive increase in hate crimes and historic divisions in our country. Otherwise, we should be glad to vote for 4 more years of the same..

    #1649856

    ubiquitin
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    I for the life of me don’t understand people who expected something different..

    I get this argument: “He is so much better than a Hillary Clinton or Obama ” (though I disagree, but that isnt my point)
    What I dont get is people who are now surprised by his lack of “civility, consensus building, & predictable governance”
    It’s not like he was an unknown candidate. He has spent the last decades in the public limelight . how on Earth did you expect anything different?

    #1649861

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Blah blah blah yada yada yada
    Yawn

    #1649864

    ZionGate
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    Haimy,
    Too early to predict, but to your other comments:
    1… He didn’t backstab ex- cabinet … They backstabbed him.
    2…. A head of state, prez, queen, king, pm, whatever, doesn’t “defer”…. He/she gets advice, then makes decisions….That’s why they’re there.
    3…. Good luck with Pence. You think they hate Trump? They fairly despise Pence, a moral, religious man who personally abhors the moral degeneracy , open borders, uber taxation that the Dems & Rinos are
    pushing.

    #1649866

    The little I know
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    GH:

    I find your comment repulsive and dishonest. While I was a Trump voter, I am not without valid complaints about him. I am quite upset with how he is handling many things in his presidency,, and will not whitewash his performance because of those areas in which I am displeased.

    Your observation that he lacks much of the refinement that one would expect from someone occupying the highest office in the land is valid. He lacked it as a candidate, and after taking office, it improved only a little. You levy accusations at him that are repeated by the press, and there is no more truth when they try to inject it into peoples thoughts and mouths than when you repeat it.

    Trump is not a racist, and he has zero to do with the hate crimes or terror acts around the world. It is a dirty lie to blame him. His mouth, as noted above, is not refined, and he chooses his expressions poorly. His impulsivity in tweeting is frankly abhorrent, but not racist. You are doing the liberal thing of playing the race card. Well, it is simply untrue.

    Immigration is a huge problem, and the Dems refuse to deal with it. His stubborness about the wall is a problem, but not all his fault. Can the Dems accept something about border security? So far, they reject everything. That does not make Trump a racist. Nor does it explain hate crimes. Dems just want to slash law enforcement and open the borders. I choose Trump on these issues any day.

    Trump is a CEO, and a bullyish one. Working with him has its challenges, and it is affecting the administration badly. I am bothered that the Republicans have a history of connecting with the greatest minds for advice and guidance, and basing hirings and appointments on that. Dems do not do that as a rule, and hand out jobs like candy to their donors, regardless of their expertises. Just review the past 50 years of presidents. Trump took mostly good people, but was murder to work with. Such a shame. It is not his policies that pushed him to this point.

    Please check facts before writing. The racist claims are nonsense and baseless. MSM believes that if you repeat it often enough, lame brains will believe it, and they succeeded at it. Be a bit smarter than that. There are enough valid complaints with Trump. Stick to those.

    #1649869

    Git Meshige
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    And life was so much better under Obama for 8 years…….

    #1649878

    Joseph
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    1. I think Trump should be re-elected

    2. I think it’s unlikely that he will be re-elected

    3. I thought he had close to no chance of being elected in the first place

    Consider #3 when considering #2

    #1649882

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    At this point, you’d have the say the odds of him being reelected are higher than were the odds of him being elected in the first place.

    #1649894

    Gadolhadorah
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    For a change I agree with Joseph. What is remarkable and defies understanding (at least to us “libs”) is the nearly constant 35-45 percent approval ratings he gets in the polls. There is clearly a hard core base of support that may not budge no matter what he does. The Dems challenge will be to come together and motivate the other 55-65 percent of voters to turn out and elect an alternative. Problem, of course, is that the Dems will more likely form a circular firing squad as they typically do, fail to converge early on one of their younger and more charismatic candidates (aka NOT Beto, Bernie or Biden) and work to defeat Trump. If I was to bet now, I would say the likelihood of 4 more years of the Trumpkopf is about 50-50. As to his being a racist, I believe he truly does feel that his 1950s/60s vintage notions of “traditional America” is threatened by the reality of whites becoming a minority in the U,S. within a decade or two. He is not as verbally explicit as some of the racist leaders that have emerged in Eastern Europe (Hungary, Poland) for he proclaims great admiration but his advocacy of “really fine people” among the white supremacist demonstrators and calling himself a “nationalist” should be sufficient cause for concern.

    #1649892

    👑RebYidd23
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    The election happened with low odds.

    #1649917

    laskern
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    Trump is not a racist,, but he condones them so they think he is part of them.

    #1649953

    Joseph
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    I don’t agree that Trump condones them. But Obama certainly condoned black racists. It started before he was President, as a member of Jeremiah Wright’s racist congregation and continued as president with his acceptance and endorsements of all sorts of black racists like Sharpton (diamond merchants), Jackson (hymietown) and Farrahkan (white blood suckers).

    #1649971

    ZionGate
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    laskern,
    You’re probably implying the white supremicists, whom Trump never condoned. Given our history, it’s not surprising that we Jews fear them. But in reality, they’re outnumbered by the current anti- Semites from circles of varied races and viewpoints. Jewish college students across the country are assaulted by the radical progressive libs.. Influential groups such as BLM, Women’s Gestapo orgs., political groups and such, are overwhelmingly not white supremacists, and are openly anti-Semitic. Let’s recognize the new enemy for what he/she is.. It ‘s not the German Aryan at the moment.

    #1649981

    laskern
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    Didn”t Tump say that both sides were equally bad at the white nationalits march?

    #1649977

    zahavasdad
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    Clearly the last election was a vote against trump, The GOP did terrible and the only reason it wasnt worse is because the seats were Gerrymandered to favor the GOP and they still lost 40 seats (and could lose another one in NC)

    It is not becoming of a President to be a Twitter Troll. Its one thing if I call somone a loser on Twitter, its quite another if the President does so

    #1649997

    Bshtei_Einayim
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    Unfortunately many in this country, did not care about the well being of the country and used Trump’s weaknesses and soft spots to attack him. They did not give him a quiet day. They did not give him credit for his achievements. They mocked him, and every word he said and everything he did. They brought constant legal challenges against him. The set prosecutors up to find faults which they can find in anyone. Then they say look at all the controversy etc and how he behaves and say how can we reelect him. They purposely play to his obvious weaknesses and then they attack him for the weaknesses. I think his policies show that he is a very well meaning man. He is very sensitive. Yes, that’s not a great thing for a man in politics but is the alternative better? The lies, the vieled anti semitism, anti Israel, anti religious values of others? Nobody enjoys a splintered nation but who caused it? Are we going to reward them for it. I’d love to see more civility in govt again but should we reward those that acted with terrible incivility?

    #1650003

    CTRebbe
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    Didn’t anyone learn any lessons from the 2016 election? Trying to predict what will happen in the 2020 election will have about as much accuracy as trying to now predict the weather in November 2020. Don’t you realize how fickle the American voter is and the slightest bit of news can make people change their minds? Logic has nothing to do with it.

    #1650008

    Freddyfish
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    Haimy who are you sorry to?!?!

    #1650020

    Haimy
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    I’m sorry for all us frum Yidden sighed with relief when Obama finally was done. We may be looking at another 8 years of a super liberal anti-Israel president from the Democrats. If only Trump could control himself from all his lashing out & tweeting. If he isn’t reelected then he has himself to blame. I think he’s well-meaning & want’s to help the country but is sabotaged by his own impulsive temperament.

    #1650022

    Jersey Jew
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    Who cares. Finally someone who says what’s on his mind without caring about what the PC police have to say.

    Do you realize if he is CH’V not reelected, we are looking at eight years of a Socialist Democrat president? I certainly don’t want one!

    #1650037

    WinnieThePooh
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    Based on what everyone is saying here, the ironic best solution would be for the Democrats to go through with their threats to impeach Trump and remove him from office, and then have Pence take over. Pence might make a harder candidate to beat than Trump in 2020, especially if Trump supporters are really mad at the Democrats. At least he does’t have the personal flaws and twiiter trigger finger that Trump has. I have a feeling some Democrats may be smart enough to realize this, and now that they actually can carry out their threat in the House, the calls for impeachment will die down.

    #1650051

    Avi K
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    Jackson and Truman also lacked refinement yet hey are considered to be among the greatest Presidents in US history. Trump indeed has the personal morality of a rooster (but then so did JFK and Clinton) but he has done many good things. Moreover, the Democrats are drifting into the leftist fever swamp. Of course, Trump could possibly be impeached and removed if the campaign finance investigation comes up with evidence against him personally but it would have to be a smoking gun given the GOP lead in the Senate.

    #1650059

    ZionGate
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    laskern,
    The other side, Antifa, were the ones that began the violence. He them out when the fake media never said a word. The same group that took over the streets in Oregon… ultra leftist anarchists.

    #1650091

    zahavasdad
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    If the democratic house impeaches Trump , he is still President, The case then goes to the GOP led Senate where 2/3 of the Senators must vote to remove him from office. It has never been done, Only Andrew Johnson came close, He missed being removed from office by 1 vote.

    Bill Clinton was impeached, but the Senate never had any votes to remove him from office

    #1650110

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    He picked a terrible cabinet. He was supposed to drain the swamp and he surrounded himself with the most swampy people in the country. The fact that he’s had to fire half of them isn’t doing him any favors either.

    #1650112

    akuperma
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    While Trump has alienated the “core” of the Republican party (which going back to Reagan favored an aggressive foreign policy, fiscal responsibility, free trade and support for immigration, if only as a source of cheap labor), Trump has his own base, and the Democrats appear more likely to pick a radical left-winger who will alienate much of the Democratic and Independent electorate. In an election that is about “the lesser of two evils”, it is hard to predict the outcome, and there is an opportunity for a middle-of-the-road third party sounding like what both major parties sounded like in the 20th century (when everyone complained they sounded alike).

    #1650137

    CTLAWYER
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    I am not sorry, I am thrilled that there is little chance of Trump having 8 years in office.
    I laugh at most of the comments in this thread.
    The majority of posters live in the northeast where the 2016 vote had nothing to do with Trump. WE, the voters of these districts, continued to elect and reelect Democrats as we have done for many years.
    Our civil rights and protections in the USA have been brought to us by Democrats (Civil Rights Act of 64-LBJ and a Dem Congress).
    Post WWII Republican administrations have brought us economic downturns.

    Changing the plaque on a consulate to read embassy is meaningless when we harm Israel by removing US forces from Syria.

    The sooner Trump is gone from the White House the better off the country will be.

    #1650252

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    “The majority of posters live in the northeast where the 2016 vote had nothing to do with Trump.”

    Besides the fact that this statement is nonsense anyway, you can’t deny that the 2020 election will be about him with the direction things are headed. The Democrat platform can’t simply be to do and say whatever is the opposite of what Trump does and says; people will see through that.

    Case and point, you guys have made a 180 and suddenly turned into war mongers now that Trump is bringing troops home. If your party nominates someone who will completely reverse their stances based on what Trump tweets, then I don’t see the democrats winning. This arrogant and presumptuous behavior is exactly what lost you the 2016 election, and you’ve ramped it up if anything.

    #1650347

    CTLAWYER
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    @NevilleChaimBerlin

    We don’t know that the 2020 election will be about Trump. It;s likely, but many things could occur that change the focus of an election.

    Who knows, he might be out of office by then………………

    #1650355

    Yeshivishrockstar
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    He will not win reelection if he doesn’t build the wall. Period.

    It will be his version of “Read my lips”.

    If he builds it, he’ll win in a landslide. The media underestimates how much people are fed up.

    PC edit

    #1650557

    laskern
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    I can only say, ‘Rome is burning and Nero is fideling’.

    #1650672

    ZionGate
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    “…….Who knows, he might be out of office by then…..”

    Sounds familiar..
    Wasn’t it, among other wishful thinkers, John ( Swiftboats/Purple Heart ) Kerry making that prediction to the Iranians last year?

    #1650685

    ZionGate
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    I agree with Neville that he picked a mostly swamp-croc cabinet, and they didn’t do him any favors.

    #1650778

    ZionGate
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    “……I can only say, ‘Rome is burning and Nero is fideling’…..

    CNN, NBC, Slimes, COMPOST, LIARS all…. They’re influencing you… Every 10 minutes , a new alarm, freakout, panic attack, urgency, scare tactic, by the ugly parade of lunatics, liars, fakers and fast talking snake-oil salesmen/women…. Some barely college grads, others former DC swamp croc-fressers… It’s to drive Trump weariness into the minds of his supporters .. Bang on Trump, Bang on Trump…. Making it sound like there’s an emergency in the country..Impeach.. Investigate.. A hate media , the likes of which I’ve never seen.
    Alas , you & others are buying into it.
    He’s fighting back, but sadly almost alone.

    #1651056

    Yeshivishrockstar
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    YWN mods? Seriously, that PC edit? We all know what type of immigrants people are upset about, and if cha”v people ever investigate which nationality (ours) passed the 1965 Immigration act, they’ll be coming with pitchforks to the yidden…

    America is not was not, and cannot stay a nation of immigrants. It is a lie that many white chrsitians are fed up with and if they don;t get the wall, their next target will be us…

    #1651143

    👑RebYidd23
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    So where do you think the whites come from?

    #1651171

    Yeshivishrockstar
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    RY – if you found the country you’re not an immigrant. Your a founder. You may be an immigrant to the land, but not to the country. And America is (or was) a Christian country, before the secular Jewish orgs banned religion in Public Schools and destroyed our morality.

    If your a guest in a country, it’s never a wise move to make laws prohibiting your hosts religion and ridiculing their moral beliefs as backwards, which is what all the lefty orgs are doing.

    #1651262

    CTLAWYER
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    @yeshivishrockstar

    You may be a star in Yeshiva, but when it comes to American history you have rocks in your head.

    Secular Jewish organizations didn’t ban religion in public schools. The US Supreme Court found prayer in public school to be unconstitutional in the case brought by Madeline Murray O’Hare and the US atheists, not Jews.

    #1651314

    👑RebYidd23
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    Yeshivishrockstar, then if they go to war and create a new government, it’s fine?

    #1651423

    Avi K
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    CTL, you forgot about Engel vs. Vitale. ” They were supported by groups opposed to the school prayer including rabbinical organizations, Ethical Culture, and Jewish organizations. The acting parties were not members of one particular religion; despite being listed in the court papers as an atheist, plaintiff Lawrence Roth later denied that and described himself as religious but disagreed with prayer.” (Wikipedia)

    #1651439

    akuperma
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    The ban on prayer in pubic school is only on the government selecting and leading prayers. Students and teachers are free to pray to their heart’s content – but they can’t require others to join them. The standard for student prayer is “reasonable accommodation”. The past practice of having the teachers lead Protestant prayers was the problem.

    #1651444

    CTLAWYER
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    @AviK
    Engel v. Vitale
    said that the schools/government could not compose or have an official prayer to be said in public school. It did not ban organized prayer. I did not forget about it, It was not on point.

    Furthermore, it doesn’t matter who file amicus briefs, only the court could have banned the organized prayer in response to the suits, not organized Jewish secular groups.
    Rockstar gets an F.
    It would be far more likely that organized secular groups could influence legislatures to change laws, than the court to rule something unconstitutional.

    #1651458

    Avi K
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    Akuperma, Engel dealt with a non-denominational prayer. The text was “Almighty Gd, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our country. Amen”

    CTL,

    1. You wrote “The US Supreme Court found prayer in public school to be unconstitutional in the case brought by Madeline Murray O’Hare and the US atheists, not Jews”. “Prayer” includes both official and non-official. BTW, her name was actually spelled Madalyn Murray O’Hair.

    2. Her suit (technically her son’s), Murray vs. Curlett, was consolidated with Abington School District v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963), which was decided one year after Engel. As official prayer had already been declared unconstitutional it only dealt with compulsory Bible reading, which is also struck down. Interestingly, her son later rebelled against her. According to the Wikipedia, William J. “Bill” Murray III (born May 25, 1946) is an American author, Baptist minister, and social conservative lobbyist who serves as the chairman of the Religious Freedom Coalition, a non-profit organization in Washington, D.C. It lobbies Congress on issues related to aiding Christians in Islamic and Communist countries.”

    3. Are you saying that amicus briefs are a waste of time?

    #1651457

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    What I learned on the Yeshiva World CR today:

    The Jews are part of a massive, evil conspiracy to destroy America.

    Hmm… Seems legit…

    #1651998

    “Women’s Gestapo orgs”

    ??? Was that an auto-correct from something, or is this just a
    case of me not being up-to-date on America’s culture wars?

    #1652057

    Yeshivishrockstar
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    Neville, obviously there is no conspiracy. But the loudest voices in regards to the culture wars are no doubt secular Jews.

    CTLawyer, I obviously didn’t meant they literally did it. I mean they pushed it, gave money for it, and announced it like it’s Judaism.

    If you think that message isn’t lost to the Christians, you’re wrong.

    #1652107

    Gadolhadorah
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    Continuing tensions between government “establishment/promotion” of religion practices versus more modern laws requiring reasonable “accommodation” of religious practice. Sadly, the two issues get morphed by both sides in the ongoing culture wars.

    #1652072

    akuperma
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    The non-denomination prayers would strike any Jew, except for a “Reform” of their so-called “Classical” wing, as being strictly Protestant. Everyone understood it as such, Jews and Catholics who were serious about their children’s religious upbringing avoided public schools. In the example cited above, note the language. Have you ever heard a Jew in Hebrew use the word “Thee” (an archaic English form with no equivalent in Hebrew)? In fact, did you ever hear of a Jewish school starting the day with such a prayer, in English. Indeed, most frum Jews never use the word “god” since to us it refers to someone like Thor or Zeus or some goyish entity. While most Jewish schools start with davening, our davening is totally different than their “prayers”.

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