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    real-brisker
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    I am wondering why its permited (maybe its not) to repeat words, and add in all kinds of filler sounds and noises to make a tune/nigun fit into davening. Why is it not a hefsek, especially to repeat words over again seveal times in the middle of a phrase. (espacially if there is shem hashem in it)

    #778040

    popa_bar_abba
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    I would think repeating words is not proper. Also, I hate singing during davening.

    #778041

    real-brisker
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    Popa – What about all the filler noises like – oy oy yoy…?

    #778042

    avi e
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    I happen to love tunes in davening. Rav Moshe has a teshuva on this in which he says it isn’t proper to repeat words in davening, but that “Chazzanim will be chazzanim,” i.e. that if a chazzan repeats words, it’s not the end of the world. Incidentally, there is one instance in which you are supposed to remove the chazzan if he repeats a word, and that is if he repeats the word “Modim” in “Modim Anachnu Lach,” because to say “Modim Modim” would be to imply that we were agknowledging multiple gods chas veshalom.

    #778043

    real-brisker
    Member

    avi e – Do you know where R’ Moshe z”l tshuva is?

    #778044

    minyan gal
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    I also love tunes when davening. I often find it very interesting when I realize how many different tunes there are for the same passages. It depends where you come from and/or who trained you, etc. I think that singing various passages somehow elevates the message and carries to Hashem in a more respectful manner. If there were no need for singing when davening, there would be no need for Chazzanim. (IMHO)

    #778045

    blueprints
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    popa_bar_abba

    Sometimes a Bit Over the Top. (And occasionally WAY over.)

    I would think repeating words is not proper. Also, I hate singing during davening.

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    Litvak

    avi e

    Member

    I happen to love tunes in davening. Rav Moshe has a teshuva on this in which he says it isn’t proper to repeat words in davening, but that “Chazzanim will be chazzanim,” i.e. that if a chazzan repeats words, it’s not the end of the world. Incidentally, there is one instance in which you are supposed to remove the chazzan if he repeats a word, and that is if he repeats the word “Modim” in “Modim Anachnu Lach,” because to say “Modim Modim” would be to imply that we were agknowledging multiple gods chas veshalom.

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    Chosid

    #778046

    avi e
    Participant

    I don’t have Igrot Moshe handy at the moment, but from this website: http://www.chaburas.org/repeat.html it seems like it is OC 2:22

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