Two Days of Yom Tov and Aliyah

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  • #612917
    The Rashbak
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    OK all… I have a confession. With G-d’s help, and only through His blessing, we are making aliyah in three weeks. Woo hoo! A question has come up among a chevra of us making aliyah this summer…

    If one living in the US has signed a commitment to make aliyah with the intent of living there for life, has already leased an apartment, has already sold his US home and goods, and has made a financial commitment go make aliyah (if you don’t move there is a financial penalty), can one consider himself Israeli and keep one day of Yom Tov?

    Before you jump on me, we all concluded “no.” But we wanted to discuss sources as to why. I don’t know any off hand.

    What says the community?

    Shabbat Shalom and Chodesh Tov!

    L’Chodesh Hazeh B’Yerushalayim!

    #1018053
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Rosh chodesh is only one day this month, even for chutz l’aretz. So it doesn’t matter.

    #1018054
    bhe (Joseph)
    Participant

    It depends on intent. If someone intends to make EY his permanent residence he follows the number of days as all other residents of EY irregardless even if he just moved to EY a day before Yom Tov.

    #1018055
    bhe (Joseph)
    Participant

    Oh, you mean before he makes the move to EY but already made the decision to move to EY. In that case he keeps like it is kept in chutz laaretz. He didn’t make the actual move yet so he still a resident of chutz until he makes the actual move.

    #1018056
    midwesterner
    Participant

    But not if you haven’t actually gone yet.

    A son in law of Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach zt’l spoke at our shul between Mincha and Maariv during one of the days of Yom Tov a few weeks ago. He mentioned what happened when his son (Israeli) married an American girl (daughter of the Novominsker Rebbe) shortly before Pesach many years ago. The couple remained in America until after Yom Tov. The chosson was Israeli, kallah American, planning on moving immediately after Yom Tov. He asked his shver (RSZA) and was told the kallah must keep two days. Planning to move, even in conjunction with marraige, isn’t moving. (The discussion was not even on that topic. It was regarding arvus in brachos, and can a husband who is not keeping the second day of Yom Tov be motzi in Kiddush his wife who is.)

    All of the above was only meant as an anecdote. Please don’t ask halachic shailos to the coffeeroom.

    #1018057
    takahmamash
    Participant

    Wishing you much hatzlacha in your move and an easy klita. May more be zoche to follow you.

    #1018058
    147
    Participant

    FYI popa_bar_abba Rosh Chodesh Sivon has absolutely nothing to do with timing of Shovu’os.

    Shovu’os depends exclusively on timing of Rosh Chodesh Nisson, being 9 weeks & 1 day after Roch Chodesh Nisson; This being so, even in olden days, after 9 weeks everyone knew when Rosh Chodesh Nisson had transpired, which by default makes entire institution of Yom Tov Sheni by Shovu’os even wishier washier than by Pesach & Sukkos.

    #1018059
    old man
    Participant

    My opinion: Keep it simple. You are in chutz la’aretz and in chu”l there are two days. Keep them.

    #1018060
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    FYI popa_bar_abba Rosh Chodesh Sivon has absolutely nothing to do with timing of Shovu’os.

    Yes, but it has everything to do with the timing of rosh chodesh.

    What are you talking about?

    #1018061
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Popa, didn’t you say mussaf on the day following the first day of Rosh Chodesh this month?

    #1018062
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I certainly had my man shecht one.

    #1018063

    147,

    ‘scuse me, we in Golah follow our mesorah, as instructed by the great Rabbis of Eretz Yisroel. ????? ????? ??????? ??????. That has always been our call, our following. That was our perseverance, our resolution, indeed our hope, as we struggled to uphold Torah throughout our years. We follow our Rabbis and the Mesorah. We don’t allow for modern calculations, innovations, “emendations”.

    Rabbis long ago knew of your brainstorm. Nevertheless they instructed us to make a two day Yom Tov with all halachos that apply, Brochos, Tefillah, Kiddush etc. And the halachos of one who is mezalzel in Kedushas Yom Tov Sheni…

    #1018064
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    makes entire institution of Yom Tov Sheni by Shovu’os even wishier washier than by Pesach & Sukkos

    Poskim say it actually might be more stringent, since it was instituted as a vaday rather than a safek (although I’m not sure I understand that; why should a “lo plug” be more chamur than the original din?).

    Either way, I agree with LF that the term “wishy washy” should not be used in this case.

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