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OK all… I have a confession. With G-d’s help, and only through His blessing, we are making aliyah in three weeks. Woo hoo! A question has come up among a chevra of us making aliyah this summer…
If one living in the US has signed a commitment to make aliyah with the intent of living there for life, has already leased an apartment, has already sold his US home and goods, and has made a financial commitment go make aliyah (if you don’t move there is a financial penalty), can one consider himself Israeli and keep one day of Yom Tov?
Before you jump on me, we all concluded “no.” But we wanted to discuss sources as to why. I don’t know any off hand.
What says the community?
Shabbat Shalom and Chodesh Tov!
L’Chodesh Hazeh B’Yerushalayim!
Rosh chodesh is only one day this month, even for chutz l’aretz. So it doesn’t matter.
It depends on intent. If someone intends to make EY his permanent residence he follows the number of days as all other residents of EY irregardless even if he just moved to EY a day before Yom Tov.
Oh, you mean before he makes the move to EY but already made the decision to move to EY. In that case he keeps like it is kept in chutz laaretz. He didn’t make the actual move yet so he still a resident of chutz until he makes the actual move.
But not if you haven’t actually gone yet.
A son in law of Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach zt’l spoke at our shul between Mincha and Maariv during one of the days of Yom Tov a few weeks ago. He mentioned what happened when his son (Israeli) married an American girl (daughter of the Novominsker Rebbe) shortly before Pesach many years ago. The couple remained in America until after Yom Tov. The chosson was Israeli, kallah American, planning on moving immediately after Yom Tov. He asked his shver (RSZA) and was told the kallah must keep two days. Planning to move, even in conjunction with marraige, isn’t moving. (The discussion was not even on that topic. It was regarding arvus in brachos, and can a husband who is not keeping the second day of Yom Tov be motzi in Kiddush his wife who is.)
All of the above was only meant as an anecdote. Please don’t ask halachic shailos to the coffeeroom.
Wishing you much hatzlacha in your move and an easy klita. May more be zoche to follow you.
FYI popa_bar_abba Rosh Chodesh Sivon has absolutely nothing to do with timing of Shovu’os.
Shovu’os depends exclusively on timing of Rosh Chodesh Nisson, being 9 weeks & 1 day after Roch Chodesh Nisson; This being so, even in olden days, after 9 weeks everyone knew when Rosh Chodesh Nisson had transpired, which by default makes entire institution of Yom Tov Sheni by Shovu’os even wishier washier than by Pesach & Sukkos.
My opinion: Keep it simple. You are in chutz la’aretz and in chu”l there are two days. Keep them.
FYI popa_bar_abba Rosh Chodesh Sivon has absolutely nothing to do with timing of Shovu’os.
Yes, but it has everything to do with the timing of rosh chodesh.
What are you talking about?
Popa, didn’t you say mussaf on the day following the first day of Rosh Chodesh this month?
I certainly had my man shecht one.
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‘scuse me, we in Golah follow our mesorah, as instructed by the great Rabbis of Eretz Yisroel. ????? ????? ??????? ??????. That has always been our call, our following. That was our perseverance, our resolution, indeed our hope, as we struggled to uphold Torah throughout our years. We follow our Rabbis and the Mesorah. We don’t allow for modern calculations, innovations, “emendations”.
Rabbis long ago knew of your brainstorm. Nevertheless they instructed us to make a two day Yom Tov with all halachos that apply, Brochos, Tefillah, Kiddush etc. And the halachos of one who is mezalzel in Kedushas Yom Tov Sheni…
makes entire institution of Yom Tov Sheni by Shovu’os even wishier washier than by Pesach & Sukkos
Poskim say it actually might be more stringent, since it was instituted as a vaday rather than a safek (although I’m not sure I understand that; why should a “lo plug” be more chamur than the original din?).
Either way, I agree with LF that the term “wishy washy” should not be used in this case.
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