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May 25, 2022 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #2090776The Real TruthParticipant
is two names two people or what ?May 26, 2022 12:16 am at 12:16 am #2091140yungermanSParticipant
Many people are given 2 first names at their bris with both names coming directly from naming after a relative or tzaddik who was niftar.May 26, 2022 1:09 pm at 1:09 pm #2091174tunaisafishParticipant
sometimes its yidish and loshon hakodosh versions of the name e.g. shlomo zalmanMay 26, 2022 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #2091216akupermaParticipant
Having two names became common when population increased (Baruch ha-Shem), especially since it was before we used family surnames. Plus for a long period going back over a millenia, Jewish men developed an affection for a very limited number of personal names (major people from Tanach and a small number of extras), and in an era where everyone was “Piloni ben Piloni” there weren’t enoughs to avoid confusion.May 26, 2022 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #2091238lowerourtuition11210Participant
Moshe Rabbeinu had 10 names. was he 10 people??May 26, 2022 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #2091240GadolhadorahParticipant
Whats so unusual. As noted above, many yidden are given a first and middle name at birth to cover both sides of the family (although most go just by the first and last). Even more now have a hyphenated last name Moshe Ben-Gevalt or Sarah Goldman-HaLeviMay 26, 2022 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #2091242midwesternerParticipant
Two names has been around a very long time, at least since the Tanaim. Think Abba Shaul among others.May 26, 2022 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #2091338
Rebbe Yehuda Hachasid forbids marrying someone with the same name as the mother in law, but they say that if one is called by both names then it is ok.May 26, 2022 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #2091361zaidy78Participant
According to some reaserch: ABBA of Abba Shaul was a title, not part of his name.
TWO names is a relatively new thing. I don’t think you’ll find any Tanna or Amora with more than one name, but if I am wrong, I will accept.
No one really has TWO NAMES. A person has A name: ויקרא שמו בישראל, HIS NAME, not NAMES. Even someone who has multiple names, all those names are ONE name: Rav Shach zt”l had one name: ELAZAR MENACHEM MAN. If someone were to name his son after Rav Shach zt”l just “Elazar” he didn’t give him Rav Shach’s name. He gave a name to his son, something that will remind him of Rav Shach – but that is not his name. Similarly if a person is given two names, after two people, he is really not named after either of them, rather he has his own NEW name.
That is my understanding. But I may be wrong. כך מקובלני מבית אבא.May 26, 2022 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #2091522elbendiParticipant
At the end of Shemone Esrei, where we insert a pasuk that corresponds to our name, would someone with multiple names (e.g., ELAZAR MENACHEM MAN), say a single posuk or multiple pesukim?May 26, 2022 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm #2091576CHOOSIDParticipant
YOUR NAME IS “THE REAL TRUTH” ARE YOU 3 PEOPLE????May 26, 2022 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #2091589
I have two names, so say multiple pesukim. My name is Eliezer Tzvi so say first אלה ברכב and then צר ומצוק.May 26, 2022 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #2091618Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
This is discussed with Moshe, multiple names reflect multiple personality traits, mahbe coming from different observers. Not a given that they all come at birth, though.
In practice, even as parents get a navuah when naming kids, some might be better at this than others (like Manoach who could not figure out anything about the malach). So, giving the kid two names will give you two shots to produce something that corresponds to his personality and lifestyle. For example, a Bernard Feivel can be a politician with the first, or a yeshiva bochur with the second.May 27, 2022 8:30 am at 8:30 am #2091665
My Hebrew name above has the same gematria as my family name – אליעזר צבי = 420 as קערן = 420.May 27, 2022 8:39 am at 8:39 am #2091669☕️coffee addictParticipant
Reb eliezer (and elbendi),
I have a first and middle name and I say one passuk
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