July 3, 2016 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #617918theprof1Participant
Does anyone wear two types, Rashiand rabbeinu Tam? Anybody wear Shimushei Rabbo tfilin? Anybody wear Rashi and Rabbeinu Tam at the same time? Some Sefardim do that.July 4, 2016 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1161408adocsParticipant
I only wear rashi.
So does my husband.July 4, 2016 1:38 am at 1:38 am #1161409147Participant
I have 2 pairs of Rashi Tefillin:- One in Shul; The other at home. Depending whether I go to my regular Shul, or another Shul, determines which of these 2 pairs I don on any given day, but never bother pairsJuly 4, 2016 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #1161410takahmamashParticipant
There are several people in the various minyanim I attend who wear Rashi and R”T tfillin. I know of one person who wears them both at the same time.July 4, 2016 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #1161411hujuParticipant
Lubavitchers put on Rashi tefillin at the beginning of davening. At the end of davening, they put on Rabbeinu Tam tefillin and say Shema. I believe it was the 6th or 7th Rebbe who adopted this practice. See the Lubavitch siddur for confirmation.July 4, 2016 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm #1161412R.T.Participant
I know several people in a few minyanim that wear both Rash”i and R”T together (smaller ones). I know a few people (Chabad Chassidim included) that wear Rash”i and R”T separately. I know a couple of people that wear Shimusha Rabba for Mincha. I wear 3 as well.July 5, 2016 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #1161413Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
I heard the Chabad Rebbe wore 4 (not at the same time; Lubavitcher tefillin are huge). The same-timers are the types that would wear tiny tefillin.July 6, 2016 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1161414RoiRMember
I wear Rashi regular size 33 mm in shacharit but im about to order small Rashi tefillin because when getting married im going to put also Rabbenu Tam (them together with Rashi) and in Minha Shimusha Rabba Tefillin (arba al arba). This is the custom brought down from big Mequbbalim.July 7, 2016 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #1161415
What is the difference between Shimusha Rabba and Rashi (or R”T)?July 7, 2016 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1161416cherrybimParticipant
Aside from S’fardim, did any non-chasidik Roshei Yeshiva/Rabbonim put on Rabainu Tam t’filin?July 7, 2016 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #1161417RoiRMember
Shimusha Rabba is 43mm so they are big ones, the seder of the parshiot are like Rashi but reverse and they have extra tagim.July 7, 2016 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #1161418
So if Rashi is 1,2,3,4
then R”T is 1,2,4,3
and Sh”R is 4,3,2,1
From what I understand, according to Rashi, R”T tefillin are not kosher, and vice versa
Is Sh”R kosher according to Rashi? Is it another way of arranging Rashi? For example, could you say that it’s still 1,2,3,4 but looking at it from the opposite side (of the Rosh) or left to right (for the Shel Yad)
And why do the Sh”R have to be big? Why can’t they be the average size of about 33mm?July 7, 2016 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #1161419JosephParticipant
Where’s the controversy here? Here’s a question to light up this thread:
Will people who put on Rashi and R”T Tefilin everyday of their lives (on weekdays) get more Olam Haba than someone who only puts on Rashi everyday of his life?
If not, why are the R”T wearers wearing it? If yes, why are the Rashi-only wearers not wearing both?July 8, 2016 2:46 am at 2:46 am #1161420charliehallParticipant
‘according to Rashi, R”T tefillin are not kosher, and vice versa’
Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall on those family gatherings, except that I think that Rabbeinu Tam may have been a child when his grandfather died.July 8, 2016 9:20 am at 9:20 am #1161421R.T.Participant
Neville — see HaYom Yom for 19 Av (Chabad.org) for a summary of the 4 types.
cherrybim — Rav Moshe Feinstein, zt”l wore R”T tefillin later in life.
MDG — the size of S”R is an inyan of Kabbala; the small ones (Rash”i and R”T) together add up to 43 (in size) when worn.July 8, 2016 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #1161422theprof1Participant
historically, the actual debate between rashi and rabbeinu tam was not which are the only kosher. cause then the question would be, what did people where 100 years before? the question mainly was which is the main pair type. almost everybody wore both. rashi said his was the main, to be put on first. after that most european decided one pair, rashi, was enough. sefardim mostly wore both, some st one time together.
the ari zl came ad said both should be worn, rashi first. so chasidim all wear both. chabad wears both after bar mitzva and some other chasidim do that too. all chasidim wear both after getting married.July 8, 2016 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #1161423cherrybimParticipant
I know someone who was out of a job for over a year and went to a m’kubal for advice. He was told to obtain a pair of RT t’filin to wear in addition to Rasi. He followed the m’kubal’s instructions and BH he has been employed for many years.August 2, 2016 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #1161424
“Will people who put on Rashi and R”T Tefilin everyday of their lives (on weekdays) get more Olam Haba than someone who only puts on Rashi everyday of his life?
If not, why are the R”T wearers wearing it? If yes, why are the Rashi-only wearers not wearing both? “
A female neighbor of mine one told me that one reason that women don’t wear tefillin is because it’s too big of a risk if not done correctly. In fact, that’s why men only wear tefillin for 45 minutes and not all day.
That concept may be applied to wearing R”T. Better to do the minimum correctly and not mess up, rather than going for too much and messing up.August 2, 2016 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #1161425jewishfeminist02Member
What do you mean by “not done correctly”? Are you referring to guf naki?August 2, 2016 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1161426
Clean body and clean mind (kodesh thoughts, not just refraining from impure thoughts).
IIRC there is a difference of opinion whether one is allowed to think about business while wearing tefillin. IIRC correctly, the majority are machmir. For practical halacha CYLOR.August 3, 2016 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #1161427Geordie613Participant
The R”T about tefilin is a tosafos in menochos. I learned it many years ago and as far as I can remember, the halocho is like Rashi. R”T’s shita is accepted as halocho b’Toras hanistar (whatever that means). Therefore people who are more ‘into’ kabalah, i.e. Chassidim and Sefardim, will wear R”T tefilin in addition to Rashi tefilin. Similarly, R”T wearers will not wear tefilin on chol hamoed, when the toras hanistar psak is that one is chayav misa for wearing tfilin.
Many non-chasidish, non-sefardi people have taken on wearing R”T as an added hiddur.
One more point, one who wears Rashi and R”T will also be yoitze the other two shitos, as wearing the parshiyos in reverse order is also yoitze. That’s why a righty who wears lefty tefillin is yoitze.
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