December 2, 2014 12:08 am at 12:08 am #614375oot for lifeParticipant
Any issues going to a circus? Halachacly or hashkaficly?December 2, 2014 12:19 am at 12:19 am #1046135
Even if it is tzar baalei chaim, your attending it doesn’t make it any worse tzar baalei chaim.
The real issur is the non-tznius.December 2, 2014 3:44 am at 3:44 am #1046136
How is this thread started by oot for life, and the first comment is Lior? Just delete the thread if the OP didn’t make it through.
Also, what’s the issur of non-tznius- they’re goyim? The issur is looking at the non tzanua people.December 2, 2014 3:53 am at 3:53 am #1046137TheGoqParticipant
So what now? no tutus on elephants??December 2, 2014 11:00 am at 11:00 am #1046138oot for lifeParticipant
I’m not really sure what you’re saying. If you didn’t like my question then you don’t have to answer it. I just wanted to know if there were any considerations about going to a circus that I hadn’t heard of. I don’t know what lior posting second has anything to do with it.December 2, 2014 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1046140ED IT ORParticipant
Pops i seriously lol’dDecember 2, 2014 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #1046141yytzParticipant
There is nothing wrong with your question, but this is not the place to ask it. Try googling (I did so quickly and found one Orthodox rabbi criticizing circuses), and perhaps Mi Yodea (stackexchange).December 4, 2014 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1046142
oot for life- When I posted that, your OP wasn’t there.December 4, 2014 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #1046143bja613Participant
eek- what could you possibly mean by the fact that the goyim are dressed inappropriately and the issur is on the veiwer? It is clearly forbidden to veiw a non-tzanuah gentile and therefore it would be forbidden to veiw a show that contains the above. (not to mention the chillul H involved in sitting at a show while wearing a skull-cap and watching women claddly dressed)December 4, 2014 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #1046144tywpostMember
The Tzaar Baalei chaim question is an interesting one and I cannot comment on that. That is something to ask you Rav. However… as mentioned… tznius is a huge issue on 2 fronts. The performers are far from appropriately attired… and the general venue is typically not a tznius setup. You have mixed and close seating, facilities, lines and entrances… and you have the way many people dress to such events. While you may not have a choice in the general street… here besides the choice of not attending… you are in a tiered stadium setup with them all around you. It is very rare… but they do actually have frum circuses once or twice a year. There are videos of them as well.December 4, 2014 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #1046145oyyoyyoyParticipant
There is nothing wrong with your question, but this is not the place to ask it. Try googling
R word.December 4, 2014 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #1046146
My intent is that goyim can dress however they want. the issue is for the Jew to look.December 4, 2014 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #1046147
eek: Gentile females are obligated under the arayos provision in the sheva mitzvos to not display erva in public. (Also see Ben Ish Chai – Bo 12 and Kaf HaChaim 75:24)December 5, 2014 4:26 am at 4:26 am #1046148
And their parameters for tznius are the same as Jews?December 5, 2014 7:43 am at 7:43 am #1046149
Erva has to be covered. The only different parameter I can think of is that it doesn’t matter whether they’re married or not and their hair can be uncovered.December 5, 2014 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #1046150
What’s ervah for them?December 6, 2014 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #1046151
No different than for us.
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