April 4, 2013 4:20 am at 4:20 am #608848playtimeMember
Is there a Halacha to wear Tzitzis out?April 4, 2013 4:22 am at 4:22 am #984319yeshivaguy45Participant
The Mishna Berura says you should wear it out.April 4, 2013 4:44 am at 4:44 am #984320sefardi tahorParticipant
not for us. We’re bedafaka not supposed to.April 4, 2013 5:18 am at 5:18 am #984321
Many Achronim quote the Magen Avraham to wear it out (he uses a powerful language, “Why should we be embarrassed of Mitzvas Hashem”). Sefardim and some Ashkenazim Davka keep them tucked in for Kabbalistic reasons. Yekkes tuck them in for other reasons.April 4, 2013 8:59 am at 8:59 am #984322
I have 3 cats, so “in”.April 4, 2013 9:04 am at 9:04 am #984323Reb NossonMember
Yeh I like the Magen Avraham. We should not be embarrassed – it’s all about advertising a mitzva. Although I find that I wear them out more during the week. Shabbat I tend to tuck in as it is more comfortable with the smart shirt and trousers or suit.April 4, 2013 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #984324Shticky GuyParticipant
Its a sfek sfaika: should I wear them in or out, and if out, should they be under or over the belt…April 4, 2013 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #984325Yserbius123Participant
I tuck mine in because my father tucked his in because his father tucked his in because his father tucked his in etc. And not one am ha’aretz in the bunch. Several were big city Rabbonim and at least one major sefer.April 4, 2013 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #984326
How many of you who tuck them out also hide your peyos behind your ears?April 4, 2013 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #984327
Truthsharer, which Mitzvas Aseh is one mekayem with long payos?
Also, payos behind the ear may be neater, but they’re not really hidden.April 4, 2013 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #984328crisisoftheweekMember
Bris Milah is a mitzvah tooApril 4, 2013 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #984329
DY, if you keep tzitzis out to not be embarrassed, then not putting your peyos behind your ears makes senseApril 4, 2013 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #984330nishtdayngesheftParticipant
Does it say ?????? ???? by either of those ??????
As an aside, there was a missionary who wanted to be a “truthsharer” and said I can prove Yoshke from the Torah. It says ?????? ???? in ???. It say ????, not ???? this means ???? ????. The Jew responded, now I know what ????? ??????? ???? means.April 4, 2013 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #984331
Crisis, that’s why when going towards the mikvah, one does not cover oneself.
Truthsharer, just because it may make some sense to connect them doesn’t mean they’re the same. Also, those who put their payos behind their ears are not hiding them. They are still visible.April 4, 2013 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #984332yanki613Member
dy there is still an inyin of tzinius even in a mikvah the bris milah is supposed to be for yourself not others as dovid hamelech was misameach when he saw it himself i’m sure he didn’t show it to others!April 4, 2013 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #984333
The MA was the one who mentioned embarrassment. Did he also mention your reason?April 4, 2013 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #984334
I keep my Tzitzis inside because I’m Sephardi and besides for R’Yakov Hillel, most other Sephardi poskim hold to have them inside. I was told that there are even many Ashkenazi poskim who disagree with the Mishnah Brurah and say to keep them in anyway. (for those who say that it says “uritem oto” and if it’s in you don’t see it, the response is “kol haraui l’bilah ain bilah me’akeves”)April 4, 2013 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #984335PBTMember
I wear my tzitzis out most of the time, particularly at work and at home. At work there’s nothing about doing so that would threaten my job or benefits. However, there are times when going on a public bus to run errands that some of the other riders get into behaving like idiots regarding seeing a Jew with tzitzis and asking some really bizarre questions. So, there are times prior to entering such a situation where I do tuck my tzitzis in, and I wear a billed cap over my yarlmeke. Also if I had reason to believe that I might actually be endangered by goyim seeing me with tzitzis and yarlmeke.April 4, 2013 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #984336
Yanki613, yes, that’s why it’s only towards the mikveh.April 4, 2013 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #984337
‘???? ????? ??? ?’ ???? ?April 4, 2013 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #984338Gangnam StyleMember
I have heard that Rav Moshe says in a teshuvah to keep them in unless the entire garment of Tzitzis. Furthermore Rav Ruderman held one should wear them tucked in and many of his talmidim wear them tucked in.April 4, 2013 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #984339sw33tMember
props to crisis of the week for thinking of the funniest possible response…April 4, 2013 9:05 pm at 9:05 pm #984340HolyMoeParticipant
Many (not all) chassidim keep them tucked in because the tallis katan is bechinas ohr pnimi on the inside and the talis gadol is bechinas ohr makif on the outside.
I have a good friend a tremendous talmid chacham and einikel of the Chofetz Chaim who says that he has a messora that the chafetz chaim did not wear the tzitzis of the tallis kattan out.
When he was asked how he wrote what he did about wearing them out, he replied that he meant that if one is wearing the talis katan outside then one should not hide the tzitzis by tucking them in, but he did not mean pulling them out if the the talis katan is under the shirt.April 4, 2013 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm #984341yeshivaguy45Participant
HolyMoe, are you sure of this? The Mishna Berura clearly states when he brings the lashon of the Magen Avraham ??????? ???? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ????”? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ????. The lashon of ??? ?? ???? is mashma even under the shirt.April 4, 2013 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #984342
Yeshivaguy: I have heard that the Chofetz Chaim was not always Noheg the way he brings down in the Mishnah Brurah. That’s because everything in the M”B is a quote from an earlier source, and while he himself might have had his own Shittah, when Paskening for others he was Mevatel his Daas to theirs.April 5, 2013 12:09 am at 12:09 am #984343ChachamParticipant
Rav Moshe supposedly also tucked his in as well as all of the Lithuanian Roshei Yeshiva. I remember seeing once in Mishneh Halachos bsheim Rav gustman Bshaim Reb Chaim Ozer a whole new pshat in the Mishna berura but lmaaseh it doesn’t shtim so good inside. Also I once found on otzar hachochma a kuntress devoted to this topic and explains all the achonim and the mb (although I am not sure I am maskim). Check it out @ http://www.otzar.org/wotzar/Book.aspx?162549&April 5, 2013 12:29 am at 12:29 am #984344Veltz MeshugenerMember
Only goyim wear their tzitzis tucked in.April 5, 2013 12:36 am at 12:36 am #984345N.GMember
Keep it in ur pocket if you don’t want to keep it out.April 5, 2013 1:25 am at 1:25 am #984346
Only goyim wear their tzitzis tucked in.
Nah, goyim wear the ones that drag on the floor, with techeiles.April 5, 2013 3:10 am at 3:10 am #984347
Veltz- shkoyach on being motzi laz on thousands of Jews (who may be smarter and greater than you) and generations before you, (and definitely smarter and greater than you).April 5, 2013 3:17 am at 3:17 am #984348
Rabbi Perfect, Veltz was being facetious.April 5, 2013 4:35 am at 4:35 am #984349xx ImpersonatorMember
Rabbi Perfect- Why are you thanking him?April 5, 2013 4:57 am at 4:57 am #984350yosef sternParticipant
Ask your Rav for his opinion before you go to yeshiva world. If you don’t have a Rav in your shul (which would be surprising) than ask your rebbe in your Yeshivah. Yeshivah world should not become not your mora dasrah.April 5, 2013 11:50 am at 11:50 am #984351HolyMoeParticipant
Yes I am sure of it.
I would be glad to even give you his name and phone number if it could somehow get to you only.
(I don’t know how to do this in the public venue of this Coffee Room.)April 5, 2013 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #984352squeakParticipant
Tucked. ??? ????? ?? ?? ???? ??
And for those who quoted the Mishna Brura, his language indicates it is enough to expose just one thread,April 5, 2013 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #984353
Yeshivah world should not become not your mora dasrah.
Welcome, Yosef. That disclaimer has been oft repeated here, but a reminder can’t hurt.
Without taking halachah l’maaseh, many of us do enjoy and gain from the discussion.April 5, 2013 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #984354
Sorry Veltz! I was under the impression that’s how you felt, didn’t realize you were being facetious. You should have much Bracha and Hatzlacha!April 5, 2013 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm #984355April 5, 2013 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #984356BenditParticipant
We asked this to my rebbi a long time ago and he said if the beged is out then you should wear it out but if its under your shirt you could tuck it in (My rebbi wore it out)April 7, 2013 2:36 am at 2:36 am #984357DovidMMember
For me, wearing tzitzis out serves as a constant reminder of who I am, and what I am supposed to do, just as wearing a kippah at work or on the street does. The only situation in which I tuck them in is if I visit a cemetery.
I certainly don’t look down on anyone who tucks them in, or chooses to do so while at work. If I were in corporate sales, I would be meeting people who never saw a Jew with tzitzis before, and who wouldn’t be able to get past that.April 7, 2013 2:58 am at 2:58 am #984358goody613Member
what’s the answer to shticky guys question do you wear it under or over the belt?April 7, 2013 7:17 am at 7:17 am #984359YW Moderator-42Moderator
Thank you squeak for explaining to me why some people have that one thread tail. I always thought it was just sloppiness.
And welcome back shticky guy! Please shtick aroundApril 7, 2013 8:50 am at 8:50 am #984360Avi KParticipant
The Tzitz Eliezer takes a middle position. Being that in Israel many wear them out it is not yohira but if someone feels that it would lead to a chillul Hashem he can wear them inside. On the other hand, Rav Yaakov Kaminetzky was very upset iwth someone who did not wear a kipa at work as he thought that the person needed it to remind himself of who he was whereas he allowed someone wth more yirat Shemayim to refrain where the boss insisted on bareheadedness.April 7, 2013 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #984361playtimeMember
Does it say anywhere the Minhag to keep them in?April 8, 2013 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #984362sefardi tahorParticipant
most people nowadays dont wear it out because the halacha ( for Ashkenazim) is to wear it out. Most people, especially yeshiva bachurim are just putting them out because the style today dictates as such. Same is true for having those peiyos behind the ears.April 9, 2013 7:36 am at 7:36 am #984363Pardes HouseMember
The Mishna Berura says that the only reason to put them in one’s pockets is if when you go amongst the goyim and they will be cut/defaced.
the mishna berura also says that if necessary you can put them in your pockets. but those who put them in their trousers, he says, its not enough that they are embarrased of a mitzvah, but they themselves are defacing them as they get ruined there.October 30, 2013 2:04 am at 2:04 am #984364pixelateMember
Sam2- Many Achronim quote the Magen Avraham to wear it out (he uses a powerful language, “Why should we be embarrassed of Mitzvas Hashem”).
I think your confusing that with bris mila. (I mean it seriously).October 30, 2013 5:09 am at 5:09 am #984365
pixelate: I’m not sure what you’re saying, but the M”A says, “Lamah Neivosh B’mitzvos Hashem” by tucking in your Tzitzis.October 30, 2013 9:46 am at 9:46 am #984366Geordie613Participant
I have seen the mishna brura, and he says to wear the tzitzis tucked INTO THE CORNER OF THE GARMENT. Not into the trousers, (in England we don’t tuck them into pants, its not nice) but into the actual garment, in the double fold of the material. I have seen sefardim do this.October 30, 2013 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #984367
Aaron Chaim: I think you’re confusing this issue with another one, namely that the Tzitzis have to fall over the corner of the Begged and not the front.
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