May 20, 2014 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #1015909oyyoyyoyParticipant
i dont think this is something that we shouldnt be upset about, as some people are saying. tznius issues can spread like wildfire,
a. you wouldnt see anyone with a low neckline now, purely cause its not accepted and theyd be embarrassed. once a line gets crossed then a whole community’s standards are lowered, causing many more people to act the same.
b. there is a desire in everyone (maybe small in some but its there) to be like people that are looking good/attractive/attention grabbing. this leads many to dress in a similar way. if this way is untznius, although many wont fold, the want may be to strong for others, especially coupled with reason “a.”
if you dont nip this one in the bud it can grow in cancerous waysMay 20, 2014 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1015910apushatayidParticipant
hemlines and yiras shamayim work in an inverse relationship. zeh kam, zeh nofel.May 20, 2014 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #1015911gavra_at_workParticipant
Wallflower: There are many places to start (and I strongly suggest asking your Shul Rov (not “sem rabbi” or any woman figure)), but if I were doing it myself, this is where I would start:
Shulchan Aruch Even HaEzer Siman 21 (with the meforshim on the side), and Siman 115 Sif Katan 4 (also with Meforshim).
Shulchan Aruch Orech Chaim Siman 75 (same, and the Mishna Berurah, make sure you see sif katan 2 & 7 in the MB).
Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Daya Simin 340 Sif 11 (pashut because of Vered, but I did want to throw it in because I saw an article that IMHO completely misunderstood the source).
It would also help to see the source Gemaros in Brachos 24A and Kesubos 72 A&B.
Then there are “modern” Teshuvos, but as with many modern Poskim, not all are accepted as source and there are many disagreements.
I’m sure there are others, but that is a (IMHO) good start.
For Halacha L’Maase, as always, ask your LOR.May 21, 2014 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm #10159122NI3Participant
tznius is one of those things that you just got to jump in and do it all the way even if you don’t feel it yet then by listening to shirium u will start to feel it. its very hard to internalize it before you actauly do it. once u start u will feel so much better about and wont feel defensive from listening to a shiur.
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