Tznius Recommendation (for Women)

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Popa bar abba, Is your comment a reflection of your subtitle? Writing “I read this thread” once or twice surely would have been sufficient for bringing across your point 😉

I listened to the magic touch shiur yesterday. Wow, does R’ Wallerstein pack a wallop. I loved the way he nailed the boyfriend by asking him to sign a document (which boyfriend refused to do), thus proving that pre marraige, there is no love. There is only taking advantage. Chuppah / kedushin is not just a ceremony. Its a commitment.

I always knew the importance of being shomer negieh (and how it applies to post-marraige as well), but the way he put it in perspective was a real eye-opener.

A must listen to shiur, no matter what your background / affiliation / gender.

The only lecture I heard that comes close was from Rabbi E. Buchwald, in his Crash Course in Judaism series (which by the way is also a really good series to listen to, no matter what your background / affiliation is)

“I thought you were past that stage”

As much as us older folks love making it sound like we know all there is to know, there is always someone who can teach you something. Even if that something is just a new way of understanding a concept you already know.

When it comes to man-woman relationships, us old folks can use a tune-up, just like the new editions (sometimes, more so)

bpt, we are never past “the stage”. There is always room for improvement.

At a recent shiur, the lecturer who also included the importance of tznius mentioned that anyone davening but not dressed in accordance of proper tznius, those tefillos are not mekabel. The lecture was in Yiddish!

I’m not a woman, but listened anyway. Very true, but nothing to do with traditional “Tznius”. Good though for “exclusitivity” with a spouse (even as a male), I feel it was worth listening to.

Second, the story of the steer has become the current shidduch market.

I loved the way he nailed the boyfriend by asking him to sign a document (which boyfriend refused to do), thus proving that pre marraige, there is no love.

(This is why a guy can’t listen to these things)

1: A similar idea to the T’Nayim and is used at the engagement.

2: The Shtaar would not have been valid (you can’t sign to do something, and a neder that is not actually stated doesn’t count. Besides, he could always do Shiaylah on the Neder, even if he did say it). T’Nayim only works because they are actually getting engaged, and there is a M’aase Kinyan, and there is a penalty.

Why do you say this was not something we could learn from.

I’m not. (?) I thought it was very good, I just have an Upgefreg on the Metzius of the Ma’ase.

Furthermore, the proposed document went even further than Keddushin, as it did not allow for divorce. He was right not to sign, even if he did love her & planned on giving her a ring right there and then.

All I ever here is talk and no action. When are these lecturers going to offer sewing classes so that we can make our own outfits or at least offer classes on how to modify our outfits in an attractive way???

And thanx kapusta for the link. i really found that speech inspirational and entertaining!