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  • #1639845

    Takes2-2tango
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    …allegations of sexual abuse!!!

    Rabbonim had previously ruled that Sexual Abuse must first be reported to Bais Din …. Well, that’s the end of that.
    What will change now?

    #1640013

    Takes2-2tango
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    .

    #1640025

    ubiquitin
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    unacceptable!

    If our rabbonim want to abuse our children that is their right

    #1640027

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Takes2- that was changed way back. You seem to be a few years behind the times

    #1640098

    Bshtei_Einayim
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    Re ubiquitin, What a horrible, misguided, disgusting comment. Your true colors show. Total lack of respect to our own leaders and greatest minds of Torah and full obedient respect to the law of the nation’s that of course only mean our best and love us. Studying some history and actually getting to know Torah scholars may help you. Or of course, you can continue blindfolded forever…

    #1640092

    Takes2-2tango
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    “Syag” you may want to check who is “behind the times”

    “”Cuomo signs bill requiring private school sexual abuse reporting
    By Thomas J. Prohaska | Published December 8, 2018 | Updated December 8, 2018

    Employees of private schools will be required to report all possible incidents of child sexual abuse under terms of a bill signed Friday by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo.

    The new law, which takes effect in six months, passed both houses of the Legislature unanimously. Local co-sponsors of the bill included Sens. Michael H. Ranzenhofer and Patrick M. Gallivan.

    A sponsors’ memorandum said allegations of unreported sexual abuse of private school students by teachers who were not prosecuted leave “a serious void in the effort to ensure child abuse is immediately reported to law enforcement.”

    #1640133

    Gadolhadorah
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    T22T: Are you really of the belief that someone who witnesses sexual abuse of a child in a yeshiva/beis Yaakov or any Yiddeshe mosdos should delay reporting that individual to law enforcement and instead report the incident to some beis din??? Any such delay makes the witness culpable of putting that child, and other children at risk. I’m not certain of how the New York criminal code deals with the issue but in some jurisdictions, teachers, social workers and mental health professionals who fail to report such incidents IMMEDIATELY are themselves subject to penalties, loss of licensing etc. There is no harm to concurrently reporting the suspect to a beis din so it can take parallel actions to be certain the school takes action to better monitor its rebbeim and those involved in secular instruction, investigate any other incidents that might not have been reported etc.

    #1640131

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Bishtei-He wasn’t serious, he was being very sarcastic. My assumption is that it is on the stupidity of needing to make a law of this in the first place, or possibly tangos excitement.

    #1640155

    Takes2-2tango
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    Gadolhadorah says :

    T22T: Are you really of the belief that someone who witnesses sexual abuse of a child in a yeshiva/beis Yaakov or any Yiddeshe mosdos should delay reporting that individual to law enforcement and instead report the incident to some beis din??
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    GH, why in gods name would assume this is my belief?
    You have to learn how to read and not assume.

    #1640266

    Avi K
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    Takes, you seem to think that we are still living in the age of autonomous kehillot. There is no bet din outside of Israel that has the power or resources to make a full investigation. The experience of secular colleges shows that the best course is for those authorities who do have the power and resources and are bound by due process rules to handle the investigation. Of course, it would be even better if Torah Jews would join prosecution offices both to handle investigations themselves and to educate investigators and prosecutors regarding relevant Jewish cultural norms so that they do not confuse normal displays of affection for harassment.

    #1640342

    Uncle Ben
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    Takes2; It’s cute how KatanHadorah changes the wording from allegations to witnesses in order to make her mindless accusations and snide implications, isn’t it?

    #1640408

    Takes2-2tango
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    Avi k.
    I with you 1000%.
    You obviously didnt pick up on my sarcasm in the headline

    #1640424

    Gadolhadorah
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    If one is aware of credible “allegations” of abuse, or actually witnesses behavior considered to be child abuse, there is an obligation to report to authorities. And if this was sarcasm, not a good subject for sarcasm, since there has been too much inertia on this issue. The good news is that the leadership of virtually all segments fo the tzibur have come out clearly in favor of timely reporting compared to the foot-dragging we saw several years ago when mandatory reporting legislation in NYS was blocked by a coalition of religious organizations, etc.

    #1640474

    Takes2-2tango
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    The new law b”h puts private schools on equal footing with public schools, which have been required for years to automatically report abuse to law enforcement, parents and education officials.
    It also expands who must be mandatory reporters to any employee or volunteer whose duties involve direct student contact as well as contracted bus drivers.
    “There is nothing more important than the safety and well being of our children,” Cuomo said. “With this bill, we are closing a frightening gap in the law and taking action to ensure all students in both public and private schools are protected from abuse.

    #1640579

    Avi K
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    Takes, sorry, I didn’t catch your tone.

    #1640683

    anonymous Jew
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    Takes,
    You missed a story with greater impact on yeshivas. For 10 years, the New York State Assembly had passed a bill giving victims of abuse , who were past the statute of limitations for filing a lawsuit, a 12 month to file a lawsuit regardless of when the abuse occurred. And, for 10 years the Republican controlled State Senate refused to consider it. Well, the Democrats have won control of the Senate and today’s Newsday reports that this issue will be among the first to be taken up.
    This will financially devastate yeshivas ( the newspaper talked about the impact on the Catholic church).

    #1640795

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Tango learned a valuable lesson about the internet today: sarcasm does not always come across in writing.

    I don’t get the news. It was previously legal to be an accomplice in child abuse? Obviously not. Seems like puff-legislation that sounds nice, but doesn’t actually change anything about the law.

    I’m sort of lost. What point was tango trying to make? It seemed like he was satirically responding to people who were upset about this law, but I see no evidence that such people exist.

    #1640833

    Takes2-2tango
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    anonymous JewParticipant
    Takes,
    You missed a story with greater impact on yeshivas. For 10 years, the New York State Assembly had passed a bill giving victims of abuse , who were past the statute of limitations for filing a lawsuit, a 12 month to file a lawsuit regardless of when the abuse occurred. And, for 10 years the Republican controlled State Senate refused to consider it. Well, the Democrats have won control of the Senate and today’s Newsday reports that this issue will be among the first to be taken up.
    This will financially devastate yeshivas ( the newspaper talked about the impact on the Catholic church).
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    I will believe it when i see it come through. I get the feeling , the agudah big wigs will somehow find a loophole to toss that new law.
    That law shouldve past decades ago.!!

    #1641068

    Gadolhadorah
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    Cuomo will discover that he has more to gain by working directly with religious mosdos than trying to legislate these types of issues. Nothing bring yidden together than pereceived threats on freedom to practice religious observance.

    #1641626

    Takes2-2tango
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    GadolhadorahParticipant
    Cuomo will discover that he has more to gain by working directly with religious mosdos than trying to legislate these types of issues. Nothing bring yidden together than pereceived threats on freedom to practice religious observance.
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    Say what?

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