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July 8, 2022 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #2104480anonymous JewParticipant
While I’ve never understood the attraction for leaving your family to go to Uman, I’m hoping that peopie display some common this year and stay away. Ukraine has warned Israelis to stay away because of the warJuly 8, 2022 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #2104497GadolhadorahParticipant
This was covered extensively on the News page. While there will always be a few crazies who put their own lives (and those of others) at risk by attempting to visit the kever, I suspect the vast majority will stay home and reconnect with their families for RH. The Isreali government should make clear that anyone who goes and is held by foreign forces for ANY reason will be on their own and the government will not risk the lives of others (or the political capital of the state) to rescue them.July 8, 2022 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #2104498akupermaParticipant
Imagine how Boro Park families would feel if the first salvo of World War III were happening in the Catskill?
In all fairness, many Americans went to watch the Battle of Bull Run (and got in the way of the soldiers). After seeing a real live battle, it seems that battlefield tourism (while the battle was going on) lost popularity.July 8, 2022 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #2104543
Whose tefillos do YOU think are more powerful and have a bigger chance to be answered by Hashem? A person going to a middleman shliach Gadol Hador or a kever OR a person turning directly to Hashem wholeheartedly in the corner of his own home and asking Hashem to please give him the help he needs for what he’s davening for?
Your right the gadol Hador is a big tzaddik and we all know the famous line “Tzaddik Gozer Hashem Mekayim” which means when a tzaddik decrees for something Hashem answers him but at the end of the day a person who turn directly to Hashem wholeheartedly without any middlemen is way more powerful.
Think about this and start working on your faith and trust directly in Hashem. Maybe a good idea to make a daily learning Seder of Sefer Chovos Halevovos (Duties of the heart, they have it translated in English too)July 8, 2022 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #2104552Menachem ShmeiParticipant
Which tefillos do YOU think are more powerful:
Personal words from the heart, or prearranged words made in a centuries-old nusach?
Words said from the peace and calm of your home, or in public in shul?
Davening alone at your own pace, or davening with a minyan?
Davening at any moment that you feel inspired, or at 3 set times every day?
We believe that the Torah give us the path to connecting to Hashem. We don’t just follow what “feels more powerful.”
Why were we עולה לרגל three times a year if one is supposed to daven directly to Hashem from the corner of his home? Why do we go to shul? etc.
The Gemara says חייב אדם להקביל רבו ברגל – now that there is no Beis Hamikdash, one is obligated to visit his teacher. The mifarshim point out that this is not for the sake of Torah study because women are obligated to go as well. It is because the way to be closest to Hashem nowadays is to be near a tzaddik that one is connected to. This is not chassidus, it is pure halacha. (See Sukkah 27b and Pnei Yehoshua)
[I am obviously not advocating for going this year. I am discussing in general.]July 10, 2022 2:06 am at 2:06 am #2104691
It’s interesting that everyone feels so bad for the women and children who are without their fathers for 5 days, one time a year, while their father is in uman, but I don’t hear the same level of sympathy for the women and children who go upstate for an entire summer and only see their fathers on the weekends.July 10, 2022 9:09 am at 9:09 am #2104713
You cant compare the two situations.
When a family goes away for the summer and only sees their father for Shabbos cause he works the entire week then at least the family feels good that they are getting to enjoy a nice summer vacation versus like rosh Hashana when they are stuck at home and alone without their father to enjoy yom tov with.
Please don’t compare the two as anywhere close to the sameJuly 10, 2022 9:09 am at 9:09 am #2104718
When the Bais Hamikdosh was built and running we didn’t daven 3 times a day like we do now. The davening we do daily is instead of the daily korbanos we brought in the Bais Hamikdosh.
May we all do teshuva together ASAP as one loving nation so we can be deserving of the Geula Shleima and Hashem can send Mashiach to bring klal yisroel to Rebuild the 3rd Bais Hamikdosh very soonJuly 10, 2022 9:18 am at 9:18 am #2104755Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Women upstate volunteered.. in either case, men need to level to the idea that their role in the house is limited… (This is what we tell women regarding their role outside the house)July 10, 2022 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm #2104861Menachem ShmeiParticipant
“When the Bais Hamikdosh…”
You said in your earlier post that the best way to connect to Hashem is directly from your home. I demonstrated that the best way to connect to Hashem is the way it was prescribed by Torah. 2000 years ago this was through korbanos in the Beis Hamikdosh. Now it is (mainly) through going to shul and davening with a minyan. And also traveling to one’s Rebbe on the רגל (see sources above).
“May we all do teshuva… Mashiach…”
Amen, this is certainly the most important tefilla.
Unfortunately, sometimes people daven for a different type of golus, “If only we could go back to Uman,” “If only we could be like pre-covid,” “If only Trump would be president,” etc.
Let’s remember that the עיקר is to daven for the ultimate ישועה with Moshiach Tzidkeinu (which is why we have at least seven brochos (!) in שמונה עשרה dedicated to the geula).July 14, 2022 6:46 am at 6:46 am #2106001
” When a family goes away for the summer and only sees their father for Shabbos cause he works the entire week then at least the family feels good that they are getting to enjoy a nice summer vacation versus like rosh Hashana when they are stuck at home and alone without their father to enjoy yom tov with.”
Rosh Hashanah is a serious Yom Hadin. Many of the serious breslevers who go to uman, spend most of the hours of the day in shul so the kids and wives would barely see the father anyway. Most women feel that it’s a huge zechus and want their husbands to go.
Also, I think that if women were given a choice of having their husband go on frequent business trips to mixed conventions where the women will be dressed to kill, or to send their husband once a year to uman for Rosh Hashana, I think most would choose this.July 14, 2022 6:47 am at 6:47 am #2106010
“Women upstate volunteered”
Do you know women who actually want their husbands to stay home but they go anyway?
And if they do go without their wives consent then does uman turn them into jerks or are they always jerks?
My point is, do you truly care about the poor, mistreated breslov women or are you really just anti breslov?July 14, 2022 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm #2106195Reb EliezerParticipant
Menachem, the Nodah Beyehuda says that the above does not currently apply. The shechina has not departed from the place of the mikdash, so as he does not visit it, his rebbe cannot be held higher than Hashem.July 14, 2022 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #2106226GadolhadorahParticipant
“if women were given a choice of having their husband go on frequent business trips to mixed conventions where the women will be dressed to kill, or to send their husband once a year to uman for Rosh Hashana, I think most would choose this..”
What about the husbands who stay home and whose wives have to go to business meetings that will include guys dressed like a bunch of shlumps??? I’m not sure what you point is and doubt you do either. Normal men and women go on “business trips” because its part of their professional obligations and earning a parnassah to support their families. As a factual matter, not all professions require travel and even those that do have found much less need in a post-Covid world. Our clients have increasingly discovered its really not cost-effective to pay us to travel for hours each way to their offices for a brief meeting. Likewise for most non-billable “conference” travel which most firms will not allow in “business class” any longer.
Traveling to kever tzadikim is a totally discretionary decision linked to one’s hashkafah and has nothing to do with business travel. In neither case, however, are men or women making trip to engage in some kind of prtizus or engage with members of the opposite sex.July 14, 2022 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #2106247Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
interject > do you truly care about the poor, mistreated breslov women or are you really just anti breslov
I said nothing against Breslov, I am questioning behavior of those who go to Uman, especially those who were breaching Belorus-Ukraine border last 2 years. So, I am saying having them at home may not be such a gift from Hashem at home for these poor women. Incidentally, you ain’t have to be a Breslov to go to Uman. Actually, the first Rav who went there at the end of Soviet times was not even a Breslov (he was a Chasidishe Rebbe from Chicago).July 18, 2022 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #2107047GISH MAKParticipant
ill tell you rabbi nachman said kol huoilom killu tuli brosh hashana shli (the world stands on my rosh hashona)July 18, 2022 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #2107049GISH MAKParticipant
Reb Nosson once remarked, “Even if the road to Uman were paved with knives, I would crawl there − just to be with Rebbe Nachman for Rosh Hashanah.”
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