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I was highly shocked and upset to see that they decided to honor Modi Rosenfeld at the upcoming Gala in NYC for United hatzala. Do they have zero.zero rabbinical guidance whatsoever? Do people understand that it’s absolutely forbidden to have someone like that in the same room for even a minute? Forget honoring which is an even bigger insult to Hashem and the Torah. This is a person who publicly brags how proud he is of his alternative Life Style to religious people on stage all over the world and makes a mockery of the Torah. It’s one thing if someone has this issue and keeps it to themselves in private, not everyone could help what they are going through. But once you make it public and rejoice proudly over this complete abomination, it’s an absolute disgrace to Hashem and the Torah. We are not allowed to associate with someone like that or show them any support. This is basic Judaism 101 feel free to run it by a rabbi to check me out. I can’t believe an organization that does so much good is failing to see the moral issue of having someone like that be their honoree. I hope they wake up.
To rebEmes
Are they honoring him or is he performing. There’s a difference.
all the Jewish medical organizations in the united states are devoid of אמו� �” (faith) and it has been that way for at least 9 years now.
stop expecting any change for the better.
I’ll back not honoring Modi after we first stop honoring ex-convicts.
United Hatzalah isn’t an American organization.
Where was the outcry years ago, when Agudas Yisroel of America honored Mike Bloomberg? He was in the middle of a huge campaign trying to get NY to recognize same-gender marriage, yet they made him the guest of honor!
Damoshe,
I don’t think they were honoring Bloomberg, they were honoring the money he gave them
This clown probably didn’t give any money
Modi is a comedian. It’s not that deep.
Reb emes. You need to take the exacting morals that carry such weight for you, and round them with realistic living. Yes your right it’s not technically correct because of his beliefs but he’s just a comedian so it’s ok.
They…whoever they arent thinking that deep and or they don’t hold your strict opinions, therefore their world won’t look the way you want theirs to look. Right?
We need to differentiate these things because it’s important not to try to put so much weight on controlling the narrtive. Relax. Life is not. That. Serious. At all.
It’s all ganna be….ok. ok?Rebemes. I kind of understand where your coming from and I can see why you would find it appalling. I get it. But remember your lifestyle is very very disconnected from his making his beliefs very jarring for yours.
Your just very far away from the way he is and it makes sense you feel that way.
But people by nature are multidimensional..if you look at trump for such a brash example, he’s very jarring in his speech, he’s not polished most people did not like his beliefs or his past actions. But yet he still the best man for the job?
Why? Because perfection doesn’t always fullfil roles, character, life experience necessity does.
Now this isn’t the presidency but he’s just a comedian being hired for a role. Not because of his beliefs because thars what they need him for, for whatever reason.
People aren’t perfect. And if everyone conformed to our way of living in order to live nobody would be perfect enough to fulfill anything or get anything done in life.
People are multidimensional and sometimes very contradictory , but yet we can say we don’t agree with his beliefs and still enjoy his humor. Because we don’t need everyone to conform to our way we can just use them as example of what not to do.You want to know why people aren’t perfect, first because we need those examples of what not to do. And we also need perspective in life which requires life to be _imperfect_ if we were carbon copies of the other, we wouldn’t accomplish or learn anything at all. Cuz we’d all be so picture perfect impossibly inhumane.
I have friends who I absolutely do not agree with their lifestyles and think their quite delusional, yet overall they are great people.
Because love transcends belief systems ideologies, and knowledge. Yes they are deluonsal in this one dimension of their life but does not mean we always have to reject the entire person. (Obviously within reason) Imperfection does not mean we need to reject everything and everyone or every single part of every person we meet.
Cuz life, people, do not and cannot conform to impossible standards. Cuz that’s not how life works.
Even tho I kind of understand you, it’s giving a bad message, but if he’s not spreading those beliefs during his comedy Im not sure it matters that much.
Just my opinionI hear you. I just don’t see why love and emotions have no sway as they are actually a very important part of life.
Without love, we cannot coexist, without kindness we cannot accept others and their imperfections
Without considering others needs we cannot create community force for good.
These are foundational principles of human life.
Therefore they are important as food is to living
As water is to the ocean. Love is a neccisary breathing part of reality and works within the framework of all living things.
Without love we are dead. Our hearts cannot beat. Our souls, cannot liveGod says simply, a man being with a man is an obimination,
It doesn’t say “hate everyone that disagrees with you dude” like wow your stretching the meaning a smidgeDo you even know your father?
Would you father say, sure scorn those you disagree with
Or maybe, he would say, live a better life then them and be a living _example_
That’s love. What your trying to do is create control and hatred.Im reading the same damn Chumash. Not sure which one your reading tho. Broken telephone of millions of people or the actual text?
It doesn’t say scorn and treat people badly either rebemes. Does it say that somewhere if it does let’s talk about it. Show me context and let’s discuss it. Lol
Reb emes. I hear you honestly, but show me biblical context of where it says to treat people badly. Honestly
To rebEmes
You’re still trying to talk sense to this atheist. A few months ago, when he was writing under the name rescue, some woman who called herself a Chabad Rebbetzin said that Schneersohn was G-d’s physical son. Several posters criticized her but this nut job defended her saying that we were bullies for not allowing her to express her opinion. He’s a Kofer like BMG guy.
Rebemes I hear you I’m not negating the importance of what your saying because yes sometimes you can’t be around certain people, bad influence, but everything your saying negates “treat others as you treat yourself” it doesn’t say “only treat others who are exactly like you and walk in lockstep with you, then only treat those properly”
If you didn’t know his beliefs and you met him in the street would you ignore him or say hello and treat him decently like every single human deserves. People don’t have to conform to your way of life to be treated with respect.
You don’t have to invite him to your house, but treat him with decency.
Remember when Abraham avinu was very sick and two guests came to his home. He had no clue who they were yet he treated them responsibly, no because they conformed to his noerotic way of life but because every human being no matter what their sins are (tell me you don’t sin I’m sure your perfect) deserves respect. Cuz their choices are between them and God. Not between you them and God.*avraham avinu
rebEmes, you often talk about who you would not invite and who deserves punishment. I can’t really argue with specific cases but I wonder whether you are biased towards rejecting too much… who do you invite to your shabbos table?
PS Alter from Slabodka was worrying about his bias when he decided that he does not need to bother go meet some visitor. To make sure he was not stam lazy, he walked to the hotel, then thought about the issue again, and then, satisfied that his decision is not biased, went back home.
I don’t disagree with rebemes I just think we need to sometime put aside our diffences and treat people like humans. Not everybody is going to think exactly like us. And yes people can be very misguided but like I said you can set an _example_ by being different which is why God chose us in the first place to set an example to be “light among the nations” not to degrade everybody that is different then us and iscolate ourselves to the point where we lose our humanity. You can be decent but also set boundaries. But first you need to be decent. That’s how our forebears acted, despite everything. And if you really want to emulate those people who came before us who as we believe were much wiser then us, then let them actually set an example of how to be decent
To Always
I heard that story about Rav Yisrael Salanter. He was asked to make a long trip to solicit funds from someone, but he didn’t want to go. At the end he did go, to make sure that it wasn’t laziness on his part, but when he got to the Gvir’s door he didn’t even knock, because he decided it was a bad idea.
I could not confirm the story with either of them, but I stumbled at an interesting connection:
Benjamin Frnaklin system of year-long character improvement was adopted by R Lefin, author of Chshbon Hanefesh, “maskil and chacham” who travelled to Germany to meet Mendelsohn and tried to merge tradition and modernity. R Lefin says that the system is not his, but does not name the author (but deletes inappropriate religious references, of course). R Lefin’s book was later supported sand influenced R Salanter who adopted the system! Some modern posters refer to this as “R Salanter’s system” …
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