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October 14, 2024 11:55 am at 11:55 am #2324271crazykanoiyParticipant
The Biden / Harris administration has sent Thad Missiles and US troops to operate them to Israel. This was done at the best of the Israeli government who recognize that they need US help. The MAGA isolationists of Trump / Vance will give verbal support to Israel but cannot be counted on for sending US serviceman or ammunition which costing tmillions to the US tax payer to aid in Israel’s defense. MAGA isolationism is a threat to Israel’s security and MAGA racist rhetoric towards Haitians, Venezuelans and other minorities is a threat to Jews in America.
October 15, 2024 11:07 am at 11:07 am #2324612keithParticipantCrazy, your posts are reliably and every time pro-leftist and supporting leftists, and generally misleading. Although I think everyone who reads this knows this. In USA antisemitism and certainly anti-G-d is largely a leftist phenomenon that affects the leadership of the left. There are of course a few crazies on the right but this disease affects the leaders and the lay on the left whereas in contrast everyone on the right, everyone conservative condemns these crackpots. Supporting leftists is supporting removing religion from society, removing religious freedom, freedom of speech etc.
October 15, 2024 11:07 am at 11:07 am #2324638akupermaParticipantHarris seems to have bought into the “big lie” that the Israelis are trying to murder civilians. That is certainly the argument being made by the Progressive Wing of her party, which she has not denounced, and which she has been affiliated with in the past. This suggests that American support of Israel has only a few more months to run.
Trump being chaotic is unpredictable, so in spite of his “America First” doctrine, none of our enemies will know what to expect, and that is more of a deterrent than Biden’s wishy-washy policies which Harris will at best continue.
Trump is anti-immigration but is not racist. His movement includes Haitians, Venezuelans (Hispanics in general), and all the other ethnic minorities. The only opening racist movement in American politics is the Progressive Wing of the Democrats (from whence came Harris and Walz) which is openly anti-Semitic. It is a great accomplishment of America that the anti-immigrant movement, very broadly, consists of the children and grandchildren of immigrants (WASP “Know-Nothings” have disappeared). Neither Harris nor Trump appear to understand the importance of immigration for economic growth, Trump sees them taking away jobs and pushing wages down, while Harris sees them as prospective welfare clients who will vote for the hand that feeds them.
October 15, 2024 11:07 am at 11:07 am #2324680z1836ParticipantWhile we can not trust any politican; i find the notion that Al Derech Teva Biden/Harris is better for Israel than Trump, to be absurd. Just compare their terms: Under Trump, Israel was much safer, and the region was coming to peace with the Abraham Accords. Under Biden/Harris, we got October 7th. And Al Derech Hateva; its easy to connect it to their policies. Biden and Harris look like a bunch of weaklings who are always talking about de-escalation; wheres Trump is perceived as a tough maniac who its not Kidai to start up with. Trump sanctioned Iran, where’s Biden and Harris took them off in the name of diplomacy.
So yeah, it’s nice they’re sending weapons now; but they are also the ones who led to this mess in the first place. And to be clear: that Harris would stop sending weapons is actually much more likely than Trump doing so. Harris has toyed with idea of making arms-embargo’s on Israel if they don’t do what she wants (as has Biden), and a lot more of the democrat base is in favor of cutting off weapons than the Maga base (just look at polls.)
So no, I’m not buying it.October 15, 2024 11:07 am at 11:07 am #2324692☕️coffee addictParticipantAccording to crazykanoi the best firemen are pyromaniacs
October 15, 2024 11:07 am at 11:07 am #2324715interjectionParticipantIsrael doesn’t need US troops nor the THAAD system. Israel has its own, already. Israel also pays for its ammunition. Additionally, the US is playing both sides by having gifted Hamas $1 billion since the beginning of the war. The Democrats sent the THAAD to Israel for their own, selfish election purposes and not to help Israel.
October 15, 2024 11:08 am at 11:08 am #2324852GadolHadofiParticipantcrazy,
The system is called “THAAD”, not “THAD” and Kamalek, the horse-faced, hyena laughing slut had nothing to do with it.
Brandon stabs Israel in the back once again, dictating how they can or can’t respond to Iran and you think he deserves credit for deploying defensive weapons? The incontinent turd pisses in your face and you thank him for the rain? You’re actually an even bigger nincompoop than he is!
October 15, 2024 11:08 am at 11:08 am #2324834yechiellParticipantTotally agree
Binden administration has sent tons of arms to Israel this past year, and continues to do so
Isolationist Trump and Vance would do no such thing
Pray for IsraelOctober 23, 2024 10:59 am at 10:59 am #2324966yechiellParticipantinterjection
” US is playing both sides by having gifted Hamas $1 billion since the beginning of the war. ”
What utter nonsense.October 23, 2024 10:59 am at 10:59 am #2325004GadolhadorahParticipantIf Hezbolah and Iran increase their attacks on EY using a combination of rockets, missiles and drones, the Israeli supply of defensive weapons to take down these incoming attacks will quickly be overwhelmed. Israel absolutely needs to maintain U.S. arms shipments and limited deployment of air defense capabilities and it must take U.S. concerns into account or risk a major breakdown in defensive capability.b
October 23, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2325033Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantI agree that Trump is an unknown unknown, but Kamala is more known and that includes both supporting Israel in general and deep antipathy to Israeli policies and also lack of executive and military experience making her dependent on her deep state advisors…
So, it will be easier for Hashem to answer our tefilos via a quick decision by T than create an open miracle overturning opinions of all secretaries and undersecretaries.
October 23, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2325059joeydweck2002ParticipantYechiell: now what? Let’s say you are right about Trump’s isolationism. Why would we support someone who believes transgender propaganda, wants to be less harsh on violent crime, and will do whatever is in their power to make America into a socialist country without religion or morals, just because they support Israel? Do you know what antisemitism this stance causes? Why would you want to associate with the liberals who are the lowest of the low…
Also, do you know how secular culture seeps into klal Yisrael whether we like it or not, and that a liberal America is destructive to our kids’ chinuch? I know good people from modern orthodox homes whose kids think it’s normal for a person to be trans/nonbinary, just that in the frum world it’s not accepted. Most of us have some modern orthodox cousins. Not to mention some people who have lo Aleinu kids OTD who, according to most people, should be accepted with unconditional love, and through that way these kids bring secular society in our homes. We need to be smart. You want America to be a MORAL place. No gender garbage, no DEI nonsense, no pronouns. Forget about Israel, I really could not care less if they get the latest arms shipment from the US, they have enough money of their own. MAGA! Trump will win, mark my words.
Oh how messed up some people’s standards have become…putting Israel ahead of your own family’s interests…
October 23, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2325081KuvultParticipantUS soldiers should not be in Israel. That’s bad enough. But if Ch’V an American soldier gets killed both sides will be screaming to get away from israel & you can’t blame them.
October 23, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2325533modernParticipantCorrect. At the behest of Trump, Vance voted against aid to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. Putin probably ordered Trump to oppose that aid. Trump named Vance as his running mate shortly thereafter. The BEST thing you can say about Trump is that he is a Neville Chamberlain like appeaser of Putin and Xi, who are enabling Iran to evade all the sanctions and fund its proxy wars (including against Israel). More likely, Trump is fatally compromised by having had to rely on Russian oligarchs close to Putin to fund his business and his criminal and civil appeals. We do know that laundered Russian money got put into Trump’s campaign (and Trump pardoned one of the launderers.) Sadly, many Jews have been conned by Trump, just as many Italian Jews were conned by Mussolini. Most of Mussolini’s Jewish supporters weren’t alive by 1945.
October 23, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2325760keithParticipantThe author of the post reliably makes leftist posts so take it with a grain of salt. Biden just warned Israel they may not attack any meaningful targets – he forbid attacking their nuclear program or oil. Harriet said Israel is committing genocide in trying to rescue the hostages and attack Hamas. Biden and Harris also forbade Israel from attacking Hamas effectively – they denied permission to attack rafah and withheld munitions necessary for Israel’s war.
So Biden and Harris, the left and crqzykanoiy are well documented as forbidding Israel from defending itself effectively and attacking its wbennies effectively.
What about trump? Well we have a record. during his four years as president he is on record as supporting Israel in action more than any other president in history.
Then as posted on this website just today:
Donald Trump has urged Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to act independently and make his own decision with regard to the IDF’s planned retaliation attack against Iran over the latter’s recent ballistic missiles barrage at the Jewish State.
In an interview with Saudi state-owned news outlet Al Arabiya, Trump was asked whether he would back Israeli airstrikes inside Iran in retaliation for Tehran’s missile barrage on Israel earlier in the month.
“Well, I think [Netanyahu is] going to do what he wants to do. And I think he has to do that,” Trump replied. He emphasized that Netanyahu’s decisions should be autonomous, free from influence by the Biden administration. Trump added that President Biden’s foreign policy record has been “historically horrible” and “incompetent.”
October 23, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2325762jdf007ParticipantMAGA didn’t tell Israel to stay away from Sinwar, or Rafah, or Nasrallah. They didn’t hold a vigil or whatever it’s called upon learning of their fates. MAGA doesn’t stop Israel from rescuing people either. MAGA doesn’t leak plans, intentions, or even propaganda to Iran and tell Israel what it can and cannot target, while not saying the same to Iran.
All Biden does is the global status quo. You sort of get protected if attacked, but nothing more. Nothing to stop such attacks.October 28, 2024 9:00 am at 9:00 am #2326450Your Local MisnagidParticipantTrump has jewish grandchildren, his daughter is jewish. Leftists are consistently the perpetrators of anti semitism in america today.
October 28, 2024 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #2326563Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantK’s husband is Jewish and is known in his interest in ladies, so there is a chance that she has Jewish step-children somewhere. I am sure they’ll show up later like O’s half-brothers.
October 28, 2024 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #2326745GadolHadofiParticipantAAQ,
Kamalek’s Jewish ham-and-cheese sandwich seems to have a strong preference for shigtzas. She is shepping much nachas from his-daughter Emma, an anti-Semite who helps UNRWA raise funds for Hamas.
October 29, 2024 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #2327938ChatGPTParticipantHistoric Support and Recognition:
The Trump administration took historic steps to support Israel, including the formal recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the U.S. Embassy there in 2018. This move fulfilled a long-standing request from Israeli leaders and was widely appreciated by Israel’s government and people.
Abraham Accords:Trump played a significant role in brokering the Abraham Accords, which normalized relations between Israel and several Arab nations, including the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan. This diplomatic achievement was hailed as a major advancement for peace in the Middle East, providing Israel with more regional allies and reducing tensions with its neighbors.
Military and Security Assistance:During Trump’s presidency, the U.S. provided Israel with significant military aid, including the renewal of the 10-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) guaranteeing $38 billion in U.S. military assistance to Israel. This MOU includes funding for defense systems such as Iron Dome, David’s Sling, and Arrow missile defense, which are crucial for Israel’s security.
Policy on Iran:Trump’s withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA) in 2018 aligned closely with Israel’s position, as Israel had consistently viewed the deal as a threat to its security. Trump’s stance aimed to increase pressure on Iran, which Israel considers a primary regional threat due to its nuclear ambitions and support for anti-Israel militant groups.
Broad Political and Diplomatic Support:Trump maintained strong political ties with Israeli leadership, particularly Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This relationship helped solidify bilateral cooperation and enhanced Israel’s strategic position globally.
Post-Presidency:Trump has continued to voice strong support for Israel since leaving office, maintaining a consistent stance. His support base and many MAGA-aligned leaders continue to back robust U.S.-Israel relations, including ongoing military aid and diplomatic support.
In conclusion, Trump’s record shows substantial and direct support for Israel’s security, economy, and regional diplomacy. His administration’s policies strengthened Israel’s position on the world stage, suggesting that Trump would not be a threat to Israel but rather a strong ally based on past actions and policy statements. -
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