December 1, 2021 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #2036996
I noticed duck eggs being sold at a kosher supermarket in Lakewood. The company that produces them, Utopihen, states on its website that all of its duck eggs come from a breed called Khaki Campbell.
The only breeds I’m aware of that are accepted as kosher are Peking and Mallard, and according to a minority opinion, Moskovi.
My question is, how big of an issue should I make of it? Try to track down the store manager or call the Rabbi who give השגחה to the store? Or is a השגחה only to prepared items, and everything else is “buyer beware”?December 2, 2021 10:27 am at 10:27 am #2037143yaakov doeParticipant
Khaki Campbell ducks are one the most popular domesticated breeds kept in the United States. This attractive breed was created by crossing Runner, Fawn, and Rouen ducks.
Some historical accounts also indicate they crossed khaki Campbell ducks with wild Mallard ducks, but others do not.December 2, 2021 10:27 am at 10:27 am #2037144☕️coffee addictParticipant
I think you should speak to the store’s mashgiachDecember 2, 2021 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #2037189HohumParticipant
Peking duck is not a type of duck but a way of cooking it in Chinese cuisine. Mallard duck is a type of wild duck and thus might present problems with kashrus as they tend to ingest items that cause internal injuries. As I understand it, the common domesticated ducks reared on commercial farms are kosher and therefore so are the eggs.December 2, 2021 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #2037203
@ human Thank you so much for correcting my phones autocorrect. Please Google American Pekin for the breed of duck that are commonly sold as kosher.
Spoke with OU, say that the Khaki Cambell was presented to רבנים including R’ Belski and accepted as kosher. Even though it has a “dark” beak, since it isnt completely black it’s still fine.
But still an issue regarding how can we be sure all of the eggs come from the kosher breed without a reliable השגחה.
Spoke with משגיח @ the store. Claims he is going to look into it.December 2, 2021 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #2037473
“But still an issue regarding how can we be sure all of the eggs come from the kosher breed without a reliable השגחה….The store mashgiach is going to look into it…”
So the store mashgiach is going to drive to the duck farm and observe that each egg comes from a kosher katshke with a dark beak?? And we wonder why the cost of kosher food is so high?December 2, 2021 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #2037511
@ gadol All of the kosher chickens sold come from a coupme corporate poultry farms that have been determined to be reliable. So I dint think every duck would need a Covid test; someone just needs to man up and say that the supplier is reliable.December 2, 2021 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #2037536
“All of the kosher chickens sold come from a coupme corporate poultry farms that have been determined to be reliable. So I dint think every duck would need a Covid test..”.
Agree…..should be sufficient to have the chickens wearing face masks and only requiring a Covid test for the katshkes, with a plumba pasted on each egg showing it tested negative.
Since we are on the subject of chicken farms and plumbas (how’s that for a really bad segue) there is an old joke from one of the heimeshe resorts in the Catskills where a guest complained to the mashgiach in the dining room that his wife nearly choked on a plumba, and that he would sue the resort for all its worth. The terrified mashgiach ran over to the resort’s owner sitting nearby who quickly grabbed a microphone : “I’d like to announce that Mrs. Gevornlick has found the hidden plumba and won a free week at the resort.December 2, 2021 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #2037545Yserbius123Participant
If you want a real head scratcher, take this one out for a spin (it was an issue some 20 years ago). The Rama says that to see if a bird is not kosher, put it on a wire. If it puts two “toes” on one side and two on the other, it’s not kosher. Apparently, modern chickens are bred to be so fat that they stick two toes behind them for extra balance.December 2, 2021 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #2037556
And that’s how we ended up with 2 Jewish Willie Wonkas.December 3, 2021 9:32 am at 9:32 am #2037646
“The Rama says that to see if a bird is not kosher, put it on a wire. If it puts two “toes” on one side and two on the other, it’s not kosher”
Yserbius123: If the rabbonim, shlita, can devise such a simple and straightforward test for assessing the kashruth of a hin or katschke, certainly they can devise an equivalent simple test to be used by a rav who is to be mesader kiddushin, confirming the “kashruth” of the chosson/kalah iuntil we have a reliable online yichus registry.December 3, 2021 9:34 am at 9:34 am #2037651
“And that’s how we ended up with 2 Jewish Willie Wonkas”
Or was that TWO Uncle Moishys. You may recall the articles here in Ami magazine (and I think also reported here on YWN) several years ago about the food fight between Moshe Tanenbaum, the “original Uncle Moishy,” and an upstart imitator. Yossi Berktin, the “new Uncle Moishy,” . I forget how how that one was resolvedDecember 3, 2021 11:25 am at 11:25 am #2037690Yserbius123Participant
@Gadolhadorah It’s just one simin. Kind of like if you see a beheima without split hooves you would know for certain it’s not kosher.
The Uncle Moishy machlokes was resolved by compromise. Mr. Tanenbaum can continue to perform and put out albums under the name “Uncle Moishy” and Suki & Ding can continue to produce albums and shows under the name “The New Uncle Moishy”.December 4, 2021 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #2037697
@ gadol. The basic idea is that all raptors arent kosher. The way the bird grips a wire is characteristic of the way birds of prey “grab” their prey.
I’m not sure what characteristics youd be comfortable using to determine who is Jewish, but the suggestion is an excellent segue to Willie Wonka.
I do appreciate the irony of the mist famous creation of the author Rohl Daul, who could be charitably described as a casual British antisemitic, being played by Jewish actors.
As for the Uncle Moshe controversy, I dont have a problem with there being multiple Mickeys roaming Disney World.
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