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  • #2437464
    none2.0
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    Instead of going to Florida or some fancy vacation why don’t you save up money to take off one or two months of work a year.

    #2437724
    sensibleyid
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    and do what all day?

    #2437749
    ujm
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    The best vacation is spending a week or two or three full time in the Beis Medrash.

    #2437807

    I am on vacation the whole year – my time is divided between doing something I like and get paid for, learning, and re-educating kinderlach

    #2437856
    amom
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    Good for you- AAQ. I enjoy working as well, but sometimes feel like I am being pulled by too many responsibilities.
    I have no need for luxurious vacations, but would be thrilled to take off once a month, but that’s not happening right now. Maybe eventually.
    I would probably get demoted if I took a month or 2 off, and I would not enjoy it either.
    My version of vacation is once a year, a day or two off to go somewhere local, and some mornings off to sleep-in or accomplish.
    This doesn’t include sick days or days that I must take off for whatever emergencies crop up.

    #2437858
    @fakenews
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    AAQ: RE-educating? Not educating?

    Please elaborate.

    #2437862
    bp27
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    If you job can survive without you for 2 months, it can survive without you for 12 months and you should be fired.

    #2437863

    > spending a week or two or three full time in the Beis Medrash.

    I don’t like to get personal, but this time spent should translate into greater wisdom and ability to learn sources and understand multiple shitos of a sugya.
    If this is not happening, maybe try a different Beis Midrash, maybe Beis Mussar.

    #2437942
    Ex-CTLawyer
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    On vacation now, headed to Florida. Not fancy, not expensive.
    Flights from NYC were $54 each way. Staying in my condo bought 40 years ago. Not eating out in all the overpriced restaurants, but quiet at home meals with my wife.
    She can spend her days at the pool with the ladies or playing Mah Jongg while I learn at the local Kollel.
    At home there are too many interruptions and distractions.

    Neither of us will check work emails or answer work calls.

    Contrary to None’s opinion, a vacation need not be expensive bd not all of us need to save up to take one.

    Wife and I are both Septuagenarians and work because we enjoy what we do, not because we need the parnassah.

    #2437953
    ujm
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    CTL (you’ll never be ex to me): Am I misremembering that you’re supposed to fly either First Class or Business Class?

    #2437972
    ☕️coffee addict
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    “On vacation now, headed to Florida“

    Stay safe ex-ct! Now starts the peak hurricane season!

    “ Flights from NYC were $54 each way.”

    with which airline?

    #2438007

    Fake, re educating means fixing the wrong ideas they get from friends, chatGPT, schools and colleges. We do try to be proactive when we can anticipate problems, this works better for younger ones. First, we can predict problems from experience, and we can point to what their older siblings did.

    #2438008

    Doctors told Netziv to take a vacation. He went to beautiful Lithuanian lakes, similar to Lakewood lake, but ran away back home after a couple of days. In the other hand, r Grozdenski and many other were spending summers away from Vilno at a popular spa in southern Lithuania, not from from Grodno.

    #2438009

    Very short vacations is a very American thing coming partly from protestant work ethics, together with other pro work, anti welfare views. Europeans take a couple of months off.

    As to the feeling that if you are out for a month, bosses will see that they can do without you, there are 2 solutions: 1. Be your own boss 2. Create a system that nobody can figure out so bosses realize how indispensable you are.

    Banks actually require some to take vacations to make sure someone can independently check your accounts.

    #2438061
    smerel
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    >>>The best vacation is spending a week or two or three full time in the Beis Medrash. (UJM)

    Please take that vacation yourself. For now you come across as being full time in the coffee room.

    #2438117
    GadolHadofi
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    smerel,

    Joseph’s fantasy Rebbe, the made-up “Rav Yitzchok Ehrentreu of Gateshead”, told him that spewing garbage all over YWN is holier than learning in the Beis Medrash.

    #2438206
    bp27
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    Banks make you take off 2 weeks for that reason. Not 2 months.

    #2438422
    Ex-CTLawyer
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    @CoffeeAddict
    Three weeks ago caught a special on Jet Blue on their nighttime flights.

    I don’t mind a flight that arrives at 1am in FT Lauderdale

    #2438423
    Ex-CTLawyer
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    @AAQ
    Bank branch managers are required to take a two week vacation each year (in addition to well long vacations) so a complete branch audit may be conducted by bank examiners.

    #2438484

    somehow, in Europe they take long vacations – unless they work for an American company.

    But from our perspective, we should not be taking “vacations”, we should be working less than full-time to leave time for learning, families, chesed. Somehow, I don’t see many people finding this balance – there are people who work too much and those who are trying not to work.

    We are really the first generation where mass part-time Torah-true living is possible for masses – and nobody is even trying to achieve that.

    #2438516
    user176
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    Vacation doesn’t have to be fancy. It can be sitting outdoors, by the water or under an open sky with a sefer. Something to change the scenery and take a break from day to day responsibilities. Most people including Rabbis benefit from such breaks. Any break whose intended purpose is to help serve Hashem is a perfect use of time.

    #2438534
    none2.0
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    The point is we are constantly running. If you want to have. A family grounded in reality and a healthy family you need to spend time with them or at least have parents present in their lives. So far for now people are raised by the schools bullied in schools and not thought proper morals. It all looks pretty on the outside but the social pressure shows it’s a broken system.

    #2438700
    Ex-CTLawyer
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    @none

    You make a choice to be constantly running.

    The late Mrs.CTL and I ran our professional practices/businesses from offices attached to the home when we had minor children.

    They never were in the care of a nanny and were raised by us not the school teachers.

    We could have earned more working for large firms but family came first.

    Yes we ran, to see our daughters in school plays or sports, etc.
    BTW, living out of town meant a trip to a kosher restaurant was at least 40 minutes each way. So, there was no grabbing takeout. Every night there was a home cooked meal for family dinner (I cooked, she baked) and in more than 40 years of marriage we never once bought Shabbos or Pesach.

    Living in NY now, I am appalled at the number of children being raised by non-Jewish nannies, while both parents work and one salary pays childcare. I live directly across the street from a park full of frum children and the nannies all sitting in the benches on their cell phones. It is no wonder that the youngsters are so poorly behaved.

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