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  • #591934
    chance
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    Why does yeshiva world delete any topics that are associated with vaccines that expose the pharmaceutical industry?

    Is there any proof that vaccines are safe and effective? No, but when the WHO tells you to run and get your H1N1 vaccine, which has caused hundreds of women to lose their baby it is considered very important information. Well, look at Europe that is mad at American pharmaceutical industry for this hoax, we just turn the other way and will continue to vaccinate. I would like to see the results of these people that took the vaccine since it contains sqaulene which causes autoimmune disorders.

    The CDC website is pushing to vaccinate but look at when the mumps vaccine was introduced, it was introduced when the epidemic was almost over. If the mumps can hurt boys and cause infertility, why are girls getting the vaccines ?

    When will people realize that all the vaccines are there so the pharmaceutical industry can increase their profit , they really dont care about you, otherwise the vaccines would be a little safer, and right now they are not at all safe.

    Open your eyes and do your research.

    #689487
    popa_bar_abba
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    right now they are not at all safe.

    neither is diptheria

    #689488
    charliehall
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    All vaccines approved for use in the United States have been shown to be safe and effective in rigorous clinical testing. “Safe” does not mean 100% safe and “effective” does not mean 100% effective, but for almost everyone, the risks and benefits of the vaccine are incredibly more favorable than the risks of the disease.

    In the particular case of H1N1, over 10,000 people received it in clinical trials (far more than is typical for other medications that don’t get questioned) and nothing serious happened to any of them as a result of the vaccine. Yes, some women have lost their babies after taking the vaccine — but on any given day, hundreds of American women to lose their babies even without the vaccine. Failure to take into account background rates of adverse events is a common tactic of the people who are spreading false information about vaccines and we all lose if we pay attention to them.

    Regarding mumps, women can transmit the disease to men, and mumps can cause miscarriages. Hence women should get vaccinated.

    Finally, profit margins are incredibly low for vaccine manufacturers, who are basically distributing the vaccine out of their desire to be good corporate citizens. They would make a lot more money by investing their resources elsewhere.

    #689489
    smartcookie
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    Of course they’re not 100% safe. But you cannot deny that they did eliminate (bezras hashem) many life threatening. Illness.

    Anyway, don’t we have a very old thread on this already?

    #689490

    I have always been confused on this topic. I feel like everyone is biased and has an agenda and I want real information (preferably without working too hard for it!) If anyone has done research, please post!

    #689491
    charliehall
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    ramateshkolian,

    I can’t post external links because of YWN rules. But there are hundreds of clinical trials on vaccines that are available in medical journals; you can use the pubmed search engine to find them. The Centers for Disease Control also has a lot of information that it has compiled and placed online.

    #689492
    HaKatan
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    “Finally, profit margins are incredibly low for vaccine manufacturers, who are basically distributing the vaccine out of their desire to be good corporate citizens. They would make a lot more money by investing their resources elsewhere.”

    I find that assertion very difficult to believe. Any alleged lower profit margin must certainly be made up for by the sheer volume of vaccines they sell.

    As this is a capitalist society and these are public corporations who are accountable to their share-holders, I have no doubt the vaccine manufacturers are in this business for money, not kindness, and therefore must be subject to the same scrutiny as any health-care business should be, and not be automatically trusted due to their alleged goodwill.

    Essentially, everyone relies on governmental regulatory agencies to ensure these vaccines are in fact, safe and appropriate.

    May Hashem watch over and protect His children.

    #689493
    ZachKessin
    Member

    Essentially, everyone relies on governmental regulatory agencies to ensure these vaccines are in fact, safe and appropriate.

    True, but this is true for all drugs sold legally in the USA. Results of clinical trials are published in the scientific literature and are available on pubmed if you want them. (Charlie can probably tell you where to find them if you want more details)

    And profit margins are lower on vaccines than on many other products that these companies make. That does not mean that they make them at a loss, nor should they, but it does mean that they can and do make more on other things.

    #689494
    charliehall
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    HaKatan,

    Yes, vaccine manufacturers are subject to the same scrutiny as are all the rest of their pharmaceutical manufacturing operations. The US Government has a well deserved reputation for insuring quality of pharmaceuticals. (And we would not want it any other way.)

    Regarding profit, vaccine manufacturers often sell their vaccines to government agencies or nonprofits. The government has much better leverage at negotiating prices that does the private sector and as a result the vaccine manufacturers only make a small profit on each dose. (Had the Republicans permitted this kind of negotiation for Medicare Part D, a lot of money would have been saved, but they wanted to pay off the pharmaceutical industry for their support.) Vaccines are also time consuming to produce taking much longer than modern synthetic pharmaceuticals and therefore costing much more to produce. So vaccine makers do earn a profit, but not a large one. Any pharmaceutical company would do much better with a big selling cholesterol drug for which they can (and do) charge any price they wish.

    #689495
    HaKatan
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    No, they should not be made at a loss, and I did not suggest they be produced in such a manner.

    My point, however, remains they are making these vaccines as part of a for-profit enterprise, and therefore the allegedly lower margins (especially given the higher volume sold) are not a reason to trust the vaccine makers that any vaccine is therefore safe and appropriate for all. Regulatory agencies must do their job and one should consult with a reliable doctor regarding the best course of action/schedule.

    #689496
    charliehall
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    HaKatan,

    Correct, we need government regulation of all pharmaceutical manufacturing including vaccines, and that is the one area in which the FDA has done a good job. There are some people for whom vaccines are contraindicated, mostly persons with allergies to eggs, but for almost everyone else, the recommended schedule can and should be safely followed. Almost every pediatrician and family doctor will have the recommended vaccine schedule on the wall in his/her clinic/office.

    #689497
    chance
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    To ramateshkolian, I have done hundreds of hours of research and the vaccines are not always there for the childrens good..

    The Hep B vaccine is given to newborns when it is an adult disease.

    There is no safe vaccine and with the studies I have done there is more of a risk than a benefit.

    Barbara Lou Fischer has a great website she put together to push for safer vaccines but the FDA and the CDC are the ones that are benefitting monetarily, too. The problem is that this government body is basically regulating themselves. The people that work for these agencies usually end up working for a phamaceutical company. They are the benefactors of these drugs and vaccines being given.

    Dr Hillman who manufactured many of the original vaccines said himself that there is no safe vaccine and they are all contaminated.( THe polio vaccine was contaminated with sv40 and caused brain cancer and non hodgkins disease)

    The phamaceutical industry runs on greed, pushing meds that are not safe ( like VIOXX) there is plenty of proof that they arent safe , read the insert.

    #689498
    chance
    Participant

    Regarding the women that miscarried due to the swine flu vaccine, I think people should start thinking for themselves and educating themselves because many more tragedies can be avoided if you read the insert ofthe vaccine. It said Do not give to pregnant women , but it was given anyways.

    The WHO will make anothere pandemic so that they can have more people vaccinated this year. and by the way 2 people in the WHO resigned after the european countries saw what a scam this was.

    Just be aware for the new scare this year.

    #689499
    Health
    Participant

    Chance – why start another thread just to push your conspiracy theories on others? You have posted in many different threads the same nonsense. Not only are you doing a disservice to yourself, but you might be hurting other people. A friend of mine got the mumps because of the epidemic going around the frum community recently because the original person wasn’t vaccinated. The diseases that we vaccinate against can be deadly, but you seem to turn a deaf ear to this!

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