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  • #2517325
    Shimon Nodel
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    Vance is the gematria of haman ha’agagi

    #2517393
    ujm
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    Democrats is the gematria of Amalek.

    #2517451
    HaKatan
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    The VP is also on record stating publicly that hatred of Jews is “despicable” (his exact term).
    Did Haman HaAgagi do that?
    Also, Haman was from Amaleik and actually plotted to destroy the Jews, unlike this administration which has taken military action to help protect Jews.

    This is silly.

    #2517458
    reb mutche
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    So what?
    It’s also the gematria of ??????, meaning peanuts.
    It’s also the gematria of ???? ????, meaning And he will redeem.

    #2517867
    Shimon Nodel
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    I am pro Trump, but he won’t be president forever. Vance as president is a dangerous reality, perhaps worse for Jews and Israel than even AOC.


    @reb
    mutche actually that can be a remez that he will bring about the geula by being a Haman and causing us to do teshuva

    #2517994
    HaKatan
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    @Shimon-Nodel:
    So, you ignore the VP’s explicit statement condemning hatred of Jews and still assert that his presidency would be “dangerous…perhaps worse for Jews and Israel than even AOC”.

    Here is the source, from AI, probably mentioned on YWN at the time:
    Daily Mail video interview (reported Feb 7, 2026):
    In an interview with the Daily Mail, covered by The Jerusalem Post, Vance said:
    “I think that there are certain things that we should have the moral clarity to condemn…I think Jew hatred is disgusting.”

    He explicitly called for “moral clarity” in condemning antisemitism, and the coverage emphasizes that he was speaking directly about “Jew hatred” and denouncing it in strong terms.

    In other words, whether you realize it or not, your real concern is the idol, not Jews.

    #2518018
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    Maybe we should pray to G*D that Marco Rubio should become the next USA President?

    If I remember correctly, he is very intelligent and he is friendly towards our people.

    #2518052
    qwerty613
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    To Shimon Nodel

    Make aliyah if you’re so worried about the future. Why are you hocking us in cheinig?

    #2518524
    Shimon Nodel
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    Marco Rubio would be a great president, but he will never win in a million years.

    I did not make ‘aliyah.’ I moved to Eretz Yisrael four years ago and have never left since then. (Not b’shita, just had no reason to go anywhere. )


    @hakatan
    you confuse me. What is your point? Even ilhan omar has condemned antisemitism. In fact, I’m not aware of any politician or even anyone running for office who hasn’t done so. That is a very low bar to set to determine someone’s stance on Jews. That is probably the lowest standard possible. It’s like saying that someone absolutely loves black people just because he never said to destroy them.
    And FYI, Vance just praised tucker carlson’s interview with Mike Huckabee. He said it’s important for Americans to hear the things he said. So unless you choose to keep your head in the sand, you should be at least somewhat concerned. And like I said, I am and always was very pro Trump. This is about Vance.

    #2518937
    HaKatan
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    @Shimon-Nodel:
    No, it’s not at all like stating “someone absolutely loves black people just because he never said to destroy them”.

    He explicitly stated that hating Jews is wrong and should be condemned. As mentioned above, he explicitly called for “moral clarity” in condemning antisemitism, and the coverage emphasizes that he was speaking directly about “Jew hatred” and denouncing it in strong terms.

    There isn’t anything at all antisemitic about that Carlson-Huckabee interview, and Mr. Carlson himself has numerous times spoken explicitly against antisemitism, has had an Orthodox Jew on his show in the past and stated on air that they also had dinner together and also stated recently that he has always gotten along well with Orthodox Jews and never had a problem with them.

    Unless you’re trying to invent antisemitism where it clearly isn’t there?

    #2519063
    aperson
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    Putting aside all gematria proofs, which I’m not sure why we’re using to prove points #Shimon Nodel #reb mutche , I think it would be wise to be wary of Vance from what we have seen so far.

    As for the point that ‘Haman was from Amaleik and actually plotted to destroy the Jews, unlike this administration which has taken military action to help protect Jews.” #HaKatan, According to many of the meforshim Haman was also a very astute politician, which is how he weaseled his way up the ladder until HKBH saved us. If you believe everything you hear from politicians, you must not be paying very much attention to what they actually do.

    Secondly, how does anything that Trump does prove what Vance stands for? Trump chose a politically opportune running mate that generally aligns with his backers. I can assure you that Vance isn’t stupid enough to push for anything he knows Trump would strongly oppose while Trump is still the President. You need to judge JD Vance as JD Vance, not based on what Trump does.

    Judging Vance on his own words and actions, we haven’t seen anything that would indicate an appreciation for Jews in general. Again, condemning antisemitism is basically empty lip service in today’s political arena. What have you seen that legitimately shows any sort of interest in the Jewish population? While I haven’t seen any real indicators in either direction, he definitely pushes an isolationist agenda, meaning even if he is pro-Israel on paper, he cares about them only inasmuch as they help him. He has repeatedly hinted that he supports keeping the USA to itself and letting the rest of the world fight things out themselves. Whether you are pro-Zionist or anti-Zionist, the reality is that American support for the state of Israel is helpful for Jews around the world. On paper, the alliance between the USA and Israel is what is helping the state of Israel have stability and security. (Yes, I know Hashem is the real reason. That’s why I said on paper. This is a question of hishtadlus / which politicians to vote for, not a question of who runs the world.)

    His support of “open dialogue” with the Tucker Carlson types does raise some red flags as far as I’m concerned. Tucker Carlson is an anti-Jew demagogue. If you haven’t heard Carlson go on about Jews outside of the Zionism discussions, you should do some more research. Anyone who doesn’t dislike Jews most likely sees him for what he is. (If you don’t know what a demagogue is, its worth looking it up. It’s very prevalent in today’s media.) If Vance can get on board with someone like Carlson, who makes up facts and arguments, and has an odd obsession with Jews and Israel, then I’m definitely not going to jump into his arms and assume he has any of my interests at heart. We may align on many political positions, but I see no reason to trust him in any way.

    #2519094
    HaKatan
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    aperson:
    Even though the VP seems to be more isolationist than the President, the country still has interests in the region, and “Israel” is obviously one of those.

    I also disagree that “American support for the state of Israel is helpful for Jews around the world”, in part because Hashem actually runs His world – for real – not just in theory. I will refrain from further comment on this here, so as not to upset people.

    You claim that “Tucker Carlson is an anti-Jew demagogue.” but you have zero proof of that, and indications are clear (from him) that he is not a Jew-hater, as mentioned in prior posts. You further claim that “Carlson…has an odd obsession with Jews and Israel”. Actually, he almost never talks about Jews, though he certainly does talk about Israel and its political relationship to this country.

    #2519750
    jdf007
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    Trump is an old fashioned guy from New York. Surrounded by and befriended by Jews his whole life. From when he was first starting out to even on the show the Apprentice.
    Aka, A NORMAL GUY who believes in equality and freedom, aka merit.
    I am afraid we won’t see such a thing again for a long time. The New Democrats aren’t normal and are all bigots in some manner. And the Republicans? I prefer them, but who will be left are wishy washy Republicans that we are used to. Or, the least offensive choice.

    So, we have 3 years to set the basis for a decent reality that will last for another 40 years.

    #2519757
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    When Vice President JD Vance came from is NOT IMPORTANT.

    What is important, is his policies and his beliefs.

    #2519978
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    WHERE Vice President JD Vance came from is NOT IMPORTANT.

    What is important, is his policies and his beliefs.

    #2519968
    rescue
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    You guys are againts Vance now? Since when

    #2521448
    @fakenews
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    Gematria alone can be manipulated terribly.
    During the 2016 election cycle a roommate of mine in yeshivah was all excited that he figured out that Hillary Clinton is Gematria “Ameleikiyah” or some such. I immediately pointed out to him that his own name was Gematria “Nazi Hitler” if you spelled everything just right.

    I’m not saying there is no place for Gematria, just that Gematria can be easily manipulated, especially when transliterating English spellings into Hebrew.

    #2521661
    DovidBT
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    My understanding is that gematria is only meaningful if it’s an allusion to a halachah lemoshe misinai (law given to Moshe on Mount Sinai) and subsequently handed down orally. You can’t just play with the words and make up your own gematria.

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    #2521674
    Shimon Nodel
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    @square_root my point in saying that he rose to power from nothing is to draw a parallel between him and haman who was a barber for 22 years and then suddenly became the wealthiest man alive. Nothing is a coincidence, so it could be a sign of divine providence.


    @fakenews
    I agree that gematrias aren’t conclusive proofs, but they can be a siman.

    I have another one. Carlson spelled kuf resh sin vuv nun is the gematria of ad chatzi hamalchus (im hakolel). This is very fitting as recently Carson has apparently been quite vocal of his anti beis hamikdash stance.

    #2521956
    rescue
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    I don’t think we should just be voting on how Vance impacts us we should be voting on whether he is decent and moral which he is. It’s not always about us and our motives as In the past we’d vote Democrat if they promised us whatever we wanted. Which if someone is immoral and stands for immorality but we would vote because he would give us what we want….that’s a little corrupt if you ask me.
    Someone with proper morals isn’t just good for “us” we aren’t the only people that exist but it would be good for the safety of humanity wherin we exist. And I think Vance would be great for the world. Not just for ourselves

    #2522396
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    Shimon Nodel:

    Anthony David Weiner rose to power from nothing.

    Barack Hussein Obama rose to power from nothing.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rose to power from nothing.

    Zohran Mamdani rose to power from nothing.

    #2522793
    ??coffee addict
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    Square root has a point

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