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  • #1961119
    rightwriter
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    The new world order is getting more and more obvious by the day. America will soon adopt the vaccine passport system which ousts the unvaccinated out of society. This has nothing to do with the virus anymore and too many people are going along with it.

    There are many people who are up to date with vaccines but do not wish to trust an untested vaccine. They are not anti vaxxers.
    What will become of the world and when will enough be enough? The elite governments are trying to take full control over the people and the world. These are times of revolution there is no doubt anymore. As much of a liberal as you can be, do you understand the dangers that we as humanity face if we keep going along with everything they force upon us? Humanity itself is in danger.
    Still think this is all for your safety? Do you still believe in the greater good?

    #1961215
    reform rabbi
    Participant

    Anti-vaxxers have been saying this all along. Now people are starting to understand..

    #1961217
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    If what you’re saying in your first paragraph is true, Baruch Hashem for that! I hope soon we can all adopt some measure of immunity passports, so we no longer have to fear spreading COVID by getting on to a plane, or attending a large simcha, and slowly but surely return to 100% how life was before 2020.

    #1961221
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    I’m not sure why anyone still insists on making vaccines, masks, etc. a issue of political correctness. The predominant position is that the vaccines are as safe as any other vaccines, perhaps more so. Legally, employers can require vaccination once there is ample supply and schools can exclude those w/o vaccination (and some have already done so except for those with legit medical reasons and where they make reasonable accommodation). You are free to not get vaccinated but don’t expect others to willingly tolerate behavior that may put them at risk.

    #1961237
    Todros Gimpel
    Participant

    What utter nonsense.
    Israel has the vaccine passport system in place for a while already.
    The only affect it has had, is that grandparents are now able to go to their Eineklachs Chasunas.
    How dangerous and awful.

    #1961252

    GH: Legally, employers can require vaccination

    It seems that this is true only if the employer has a serious justification due to work conditions. If you have employees that require “ordering”, I suggest having an alternative like working from home, working in a segregated area, or having regular testing. Thi is lot a legal advice, consult your local lawyer first.

    #1961270
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Gadol I didn’t know you were a prophet who knows that the vaccines are safe in the long-term. Aside for the fact that for some it isn’t even safe short term as in they suffered bad side effects or even death.

    Gimpel, many people also had the virus and have antibodies and immunity. They want you to believe it only lasts 3 months but sorry to disappoint you, the immunity so far is lasting for a year and counting. There have been only a handful of people in the world who has been reinfected and even then they aren’t sure that it was a reinfection of the same virus.

    If it was common to be reinfected or transmit, by now everyone would have been reinfected and also cases would have gone up not down.

    They have no proof that people who are unvaccinated can carry the virus and transmit it to others and no proof that vaccinated cannot transmit it or carry it. In fact it seems that those with immunity cannot transmit it to others since cases have gone down long before the vaccines were available. Regardless of what the media wants you to think. They are now talking about it resurfacing. How is it resurfacing when so many people have antibodies or are vaccinated? What am I missing here?
    Oh is it because bill gates and fauci declared so? Keep bowing to your idols and see where it gets you.

    #1961274
    bk613
    Participant

    @rightwriter
    Do you believe Bill Gates wants people vaccinated as a part of a larger plot to control minds and populations?

    #1961283
    Health
    Participant

    Rightwriter -“How is it resurfacing when so many people have antibodies or are vaccinated? What am I missing here?”

    You’re missing basic Scientific Knowledge.
    Don’t worry – there are thousands like you on the net.

    “Aside for the fact that for some it isn’t even safe short term as in they suffered bad side effects or even death.”

    Even if this statement is true, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t Vax.
    Medicine is based on what’s best for the patient.
    Good vs. maybe good.
    Sometimes it doesn’t work out for e/o.

    They are right now working on a cure for Covid-19.
    Vaccination is a Stop -gap measure!

    This is what happens when You don’t have Basic Secular Education!

    #1961276
    Mindful
    Participant

    Htwriter,
    What you are to the corona passports is what “antivaxers” are to tye measles passports.

    You think this is different because you are scared on corona vaccine, and not measles vaccine. But its not different.

    You didn’t stand up for those who did not want to force the measles vaccine. Now you are here, getting the very same logic of safety and science etc.

    It is same world order that was forcing the measles vaccine as the corona vaccine. They are a few steps ahead now. The public is ready for the next phase of propoganda and fear mongering.

    Just look at the comments you are getting here. But I think it just reflects on YWN readership, not the general public opinion.

    #1961321
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Health-“They are right now working on a cure for Covid-19.
    Vaccination is a Stop -gap measure!

    This is what happens when You don’t have Basic Secular Education!”

    -Health why don’t they first work on a flu cure or a cure for all other viruses and ailments?
    No, this is what happens when you have no thought process of your own and you just follow blindly what others want you to think. You are probably the type of person who takes every pill the doctor prescribes for you even though the doctor told you they aren’t sure what you have.

    “Even if this statement is true, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t Vax.
    Medicine is based on what’s best for the patient.
    Good vs. maybe good.”

    -yea even if that maybe good or what’s best for the patient equates to death. And no they will never release cures for anything they make too much money from vaccines and keeping people sick.
    Why don’t you do some research on how master Fauci the great stopped production and put scientists in jail when he heard about them being close to finding and releasing a cure to leukimia.

    You guys think you are so smart and try to bash anyone who disagrees with you as ignorant and reckless when really what you are doing is bringing disaster upon everyone. We all have to suffer due to your foolishness. It will be too late by the time you realize. You want to get the vaccine go ahead, but don’t force anyone else to do so especially if they have a natural immunity!

    What happened to wearing 2 masks? Was the data wrong on wearing 1? What happened to the fact that they are reducing the 6 feet social distancing to 3 feet after they found out it makes no difference to be more than 3 feet away? How about when Fauci told everyone not to wear a mask that it will not be helpful and if anything only the sick need to wear one, and then months later with his arrogant stupidity went ahead and actually admitted that he said so in order to save supplies for health workers?! He could have told people to wear something instead of a mask.

    Bk613″Do you believe Bill Gates wants people vaccinated as a part of a larger plot to control minds and populations?”

    I don’t need to believe anything, he said it himself. Look it up online. He also conveniently held a “mock pandemic” for a virus just like covid in October around 1.5 months before word went out about covid-19 in wuhan. What a coincidence. “Event 201” you can watch the videos on youtube for yourself on their preparations for a “theoretical” pandemic the world wasn’t prepared enough for.

    Also bill gates recently stated that we WILL have another pandemic very soon which we are totally unprepared for.

    What’s with all these pandemics suddenly being in style? Where are they coming from. Even the WHO said that covid is nothing compared to what’s to come. How do they know all this. Oh statistics and data right.
    Just like all the other pandemics we have lived through in the past 100 years. Don’t you remember how every few years we had lockdowns and were controlled by government? I sure don’t.

    #1961323

    Mindful > just reflects on YWN readership, not the general public opinion.

    general public opinion according to Census survey – 8% def not take, 9% prob not take, total decrease by 5% in two months, with most hesitant being: black, young, and from Alabama, not necessarily all together (and “some say” – Trump voters, to quote a famous gemora about Talmidei Chachamim from Bavel). Mindful, let me know if these numbers mean anything. I brought you before numbers about high death rate in Lakewood, but I did not see whether this helped you or not.

    #1961333
    Health
    Participant

    Mindful -“You think this is different because you are scared on corona vaccine, and not measles vaccine. But its not different.”

    I don’t know if you’re talking to me, but these diseases are making a comeback because of the AntiVaxxers!
    These diseases are life-threatening, in some cases.
    If you hate getting a Shot, stay in your own house, but don’t mingle with other Humans that care about their Lives!
    BTW, it’s also in the Torah.
    And you don’t know better than many Scientists.
    Even if you have a few that promote this Crazy Conspiracy!

    #1961334
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Mindful-“You think this is different because you are scared on corona vaccine, and not measles vaccine. But its not different. ”

    Actually Mindful, there is a difference between not being able to send a child to a certain school, to not being able to be part of society while being looked upon as a disease spreader. Just a small difference.

    #1961403
    Health
    Participant

    Rightwriter -“Health why don’t they first work on a flu cure or a cure for all other viruses and ailments?”

    They actually have 4 treatments for the Flu. And already 2 doesn’t work anymore.
    Stop proving that you just believe in Conspiracy theories, but have No actual Scientific Knowledge!
    The reason they push Vaccines is because it’s easier to develop than any treatment or cure.

    “Even if that maybe good or what’s best for the patient equates to death.”
    Stop with the Scare Tatics – You sound like a Child!
    Medicine is based on what is the best of two Choices!

    Kol Haposel B’momo Posel:
    “This is what happens when you have no thought process of your own and you just follow blindly what others want you to think”

    #1961479
    Avi K
    Participant

    It is an absolute halachic obligation to be vaccinated unless someone has a specific medical condition that precludes vaccination. You can read “Halachic Aspects of Vaccination” by
    Rabbi Dr. Edward Reichman M.D. online.

    Society can certainly protect itself by restricting certain venues to those who have been vaccinated or recovered. In the U.S. compulsory vaccination was upheld by the Supreme Court in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905).

    #1961492
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Avi k there was much more to that case

    #1961503
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Again Health, we are all ignorant and have no basic education. We weren’t all fortunate enough to be “experts” in the medical field such as you. As I said, you are the type who listens to doctors blindly and takes all the pills thrown at you even when it doesn’t make sense.

    Since you are so knowledgeable, why don’t you explain to us how there will be a rise in covid cases at this point where so many people have either natural immunity or have been vaccinated?

    And also if you have been vaccinated why are you worried about catching it from anyone else? The vaccine is there to prevent you from getting sick!
    And for your information natural immunity has so far been holding up for a year contrary to the 3 month time period which they try to trick you into believing so that everyone takes the vaccine!
    Why would someone who has antibodies need a vaccine? Oh cause they can spread a stronger virus to others? What total nonsense they have an excuse for everything just to push their agenda and scare people. They have no proof yet that natural antibodies can carry and transmit, let alone a stronger virus than the vaccinated virus, and they have no proof that vaccinated people CANNOT carry and transmit the virus. In fact they said they probably can transmit “that’s why the want everyone vaccinated” or course. They also don’t have any proof of how bad someone can get the virus while vaccinated since it’s early to determine. But I guess when the facts don’t make sense we can go by them since they fit the agenda but any facts on the contrary are disqualified because they go against the plan for the greater good.

    Again so many people who are not against vaccines in general but simply do not want this UNTESTED vaccine! Even many elderly don’t trust it no matter how much of a risk category they are in.

    Stop forcing people to do what you want. You want to take it go ahead but leave it at that! We already have to wear USELESS face masks everywhere due to your stupidity and all those who think like you that they have an obligation to control what others do.

    There is a virus and it’s a horrible thing that they unleashed into the world, most people recover even from bad cases. All that surrounds this virus is even more horrible than the virus itself. You have no idea how much mental harm this has been causing people, and how many people died from not being treated for other diseases.

    If they really cared they would require everyone to use masks that actually protect against virus and not the 1 cent surgical masks which do nothing but protect against bacteria droplets which are used for surgery not for virus which is 4 times smaller than the holes in the mask!

    Also I would like you to explain the science behind the virus not spreading when you eat at a restaurant without a mask. Does the virus have mercy when you eat? This is proof that these precautions are a joke! If they really had science behind all this and took precaution they wouldn’t even allow anyone to eat outside since once you take off your mask the virus can spread! How ignorant can you be to know all this and still believe they are going by science?

    None of these rules make any sense or any impact to stopping the spread. Health you are probably one of those who jumped to wear 2 masks once you heard their “recommendation”. Anyone who can’t see through this is just plain stupid I’m sorry.
    The cure cannot be worse than the virus itself! It’s been costing more lives and ruining families for something that 99 percent of people recover from. Why don’t you check how many people died from the flu or other causes this year alone? Just because they don’t report on that doesn’t mean it ain’t there. Life has to continue. Those who need extra precautions can take them. And if you take the vaccine good for you. But do not try to force someone else to do something against their own will and judgement.

    #1961511
    bk613
    Participant

    @rightwriter

    Thank you for answering my questions. I am going to write you off as a fringe loony conspiracy theorist and daven that you don’t cause too much damage to society.
    There are legitimate conversations to have regarding COVID vaccines and public policy but it’s pointless to have them with someone who believes vaccines are designed for mind & population control.

    #1961531
    smerel
    Participant

    I have no issue with vaccine passes as long as

    (1)there are vaccines available for everyone so not getting vaccinated is a 100% matter of choice

    and

    (2)there is clear medical evidence that the unvaccinated pose a medical risk to themselves or other by their presence. (Clear medical evidence does not include government or media “I said so. Don’t you dare question it or be too dumb to understand it”

    Otherwise it is government overreach .

    The above is for public places. A private group should not need condition (2)to require a vaccine pass.

    #1961526
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Bk613, you truly are a nebach. Bill Gates has been talking about depopulation for years especially “through vaccines”. You can easily look it up online. Also you conveniently ignore the fact that he held a mock pandemic for pretty much the exact same virus type 1.5 months before the virus was first announced. Also he is warning now of a new pandemic which “we will have soon and are not prepared for”. I wonder how he knows all these things. Must be he’s just a smart fellow.

    I never said vaccines are designed for depopulation please show me where I stated that?
    But when a person who has been crying out for pandemics, depopulation and vaccines for so many years is now suddenly in charge of this whole project, it’s a bit concerning.

    Btw BK613 since you know more than all of us, did you also know that your saviour Bill Gates was kicked out of India and Africa after it became known that the vaccines he was giving to kids was sterilizing them! Or is that a conspiracy as well? I’m sure it wasn’t intentional.
    Sure sounds like a trustworthy guy looking out for your health.

    And putting all that aside, the reluctance to this vaccine has nothing to do with mind control or depopulation fear. The fact that it’s been the first vaccine to be put out in less than a year without even animal trials which take years in the making, is cause enough for concern. No one knows the long term effects.

    So if you want go ahead and take it. I don’t see why you feel the need to force it on others if you will be protected. Also don’t forget to keep your mask on after receiving the vaccine because you never know. That’s the “recommendation” as it is so abide by it!

    #1961530
    rightwriter
    Participant

    And again, since you completely ignore anything you can’t answer, the fact that covid is down, proves that people with antibodies aren’t getting sick again or transmitting it to others. Because If that was the case there would be a consistent amount of cases as last year or more. Not less. And it’s not due to vaccine since vaccine is still not widely available.

    And if the vaccine will help so be it. Thats the idea. But it doesn’t mean everyone has to be forced to take it or be shunned from society. Especially those with antibodies. That’s what’s called herd immunity.

    #1961547
    bk613
    Participant

    Me: Do you believe Bill Gates wants people vaccinated as a part of a larger plot to control minds and populations?
    You: “I don’t need to believe anything, he said it himself. Look it up online.”
    Me: You’re a crazy person.
    You: “I never said vaccines are designed for depopulation please show me where I stated that?”

    “But when a person who has been crying out for pandemics, depopulation and vaccines for so many years is now suddenly in charge of this whole project, it’s a bit concerning.”
    So because he’s been warning the world (since 2015) that this might happen that means he finally got fed up with waiting and unleashed the virus?

    “did you also know that your saviour Bill Gates was kicked out of India and Africa after it became known that the vaccines he was giving to kids was sterilizing them! Or is that a conspiracy as well?”
    No conspiracy, just a complete fabrication. The Indian Health Ministry even released a statement which in part said, Some media reports have suggested that all health related collaboration with the Gates Foundation with National Health Mission (NHM) has been stopped. This is inaccurate and misleading. BMGF continues to collaborate and support the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare.”

    #1961613
    Yankel-der-ganef
    Participant

    What you’re writing, is a bunch of crazy stuff. And the Rothschilds are controlling the weather.

    #1961611
    Health
    Participant

    Rightwriter -“Since you are so knowledgeable, why don’t you explain to us how there will be a rise in covid cases at this point where so many people have either natural immunity or have been vaccinated?”

    Stop with your make believe statistics!
    They are shooting for 200 million vaccinations, but right now there is only a little bit over 100 million.
    Do you know how many people live in the USA?!?
    Why do you think that there is something called “Natural Immunity” with Covid-19?

    “And also if you have been vaccinated why are you worried about catching it from anyone else? The vaccine is there to prevent you from getting sick!”

    According to the latest statistics – it might last a year – some say vaxxing will last 3 – 6 months.
    This is a Killer.
    We need vaccinations to give us time to Find a Cure!

    #1961648
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Health”According to the latest statistics – it might last a year – some say vaxxing will last 3 – 6 months.
    This is a Killer.
    We need vaccinations to give us time to Find a Cure!”

    So you agree that a person natural antibodies has very little need for a vaccine that will last 3-6 months? And no they are not saying it lasts a year they are claiming natural antibodies last 3 months. And they only know it lasts a year since that’s where we are currently it doesn’t mean that the antibodies will suddenly drop to zero by next month.

    And yes I am the one who told you herd immunity and it’s not because of vaccines(as of now) since vaccines only started to become available recently. So yes there is a drop in cases since many people have natural antibodies.

    Also who told you there will be a cure released? You mentioned flu cure. I’m curious can you share with us the cure since last I’ve checked many have died from the flu. If you mean the medicine to try stopping it from getting worse ya there are such as tamiflu. That’s not a cure though.

    #1961612
    Yankel-der-ganef
    Participant

    Why do we have these shrill, looney kazoonies as part of our community? There is no conspiracy that is too outlandish for these guys, no matter how crazy, they believe it.

    You’d think someone who learns gemara would have saichal, nut he either doesn’t learn or is meshiggeh anyway.

    #1961675

    >> You’d think someone who learns gemara would have saichal

    this is the key question. Do we learn logical skills from Gemora, and if not, what is this activity?

    we are discussing in another thread gemorot about several groups that always fight – dogs, roosters .. loose women, some say Talmidei Chachamim miBavel – meaning that Bavli argumentative style of searching for truth is picked up by some people inappropriately to argue any point without regards to truth. So, it is not a surprise that we have some people learning that way. More concerning to me personally is when we get a large group forming around such learning style, endangering our core values of integrity in learning

    #1961727
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Why are you so offended by the fact that people simply don’t trust an untested vaccine which was formulated in less than a year? Why is it so difficult to comprehend that people are worries about what goes into their bloodstream. You are trying to manipulate the idea that people don’t want the vaccine because they are afraid of microchips. No, people just do not want to take an unrested vaccine end of story.

    You want to take it go ahead. You want to wear 2 masks because they said so go ahead. You want to take all the pills the doctor prescribes you go ahead. But stop there. Do not force this on anyone else. They are not carrying the virus and they are not hurting you contrary to what the media and governments want you to believe.

    Antibodies via virus are lasting way longer than the vaccine. So leave those people alone already. And don’t forget they still want you to wear a mask after you get vaccinated. So there is no end to this, just because you have no problem with all your liberties being taken away from you that’s fine. But not everyone feels the same as you or thinks the same as you. So accept it.

    And I know it makes you feel real brave with all the name calling but seriously try becoming useful. And I don’t mean a useful idiot since you’ve been doing enough of that til now. You name calling and mockery only shows how weak you are.

    #1961736

    rightwriter, you mix together some legit thoughts, like “why should we trust untested vaccine”, that can be rationally discussed with multitude of statements based on not much info. Some sounds bogus, such as “lots of old people do not trust vaccine”. Look up vaccination rates for older people and in nursing homes in Israel and Us and report back to us. Try looking up medical literature.. you don’t have to trust every word and it is ok to be suspicious, but there are lots of numbers that could help you orient yourself, such as how long antibodies are on, what are death rates in haredi communities in Israel, etc.

    #1961737
    Avi K
    Participant

    Rightwriter, untested? Are you serious? It has been approved by all regulatory agencies after requisite testing. The technology itself has been around for thirty years. Rav Elimelech Firer, who is an expert on Halacha and Medicine, discussed the issue in a special interview. You can google “הרב פירר מפריך את השמועות: “הדבר הנכון הוא ליטול את החיסון”.

    #1961742
    ywnjudy
    Participant

    rightwriter, i’m with you, and for that matter, so is Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Smith of passaicclarity. Posters love to spout the overused cliche “conspiracy theorist”. Well, that’s not quite the accurate terminology. More like “conspiracy analyst” is what you are. Chaval that so many in our circles squelch their instinct to sniff out a dead rat, and acknowledge that things are fishy.

    “Come into my parlor” said the spider.
    “Thanks so much for the invite!” gushed the fly.
    SNATCH!
    “Come into our parlor” say Gates and Fauci.
    [we wish to lull you by proving that vaxxes are harmless, even though y’all don’t know what our related plans are.]
    “Thanks so much for saving us!” gush the pro-vaxxers.
    …then at some future date – TRAPPED!

    As for how it’s spread so quickly, I suggest using bitchute (or in general, avoid censorious youtube and mainstream engines) to research “5g covid”. Yes, you’ll see Icke, though if you can remain objective, and move the slider to approx. 50 or 52, the talk about 5G and Covid begins. Dr.Arthur Firstenberg’s book backs up the linkage between every new wireless frequency, and epidemics. (Dr.F had become irradiated by Xray, and was sick ever since.

    #1961744
    Health
    Participant

    Rtwriter -“Antibodies via virus are lasting way longer than the vaccine. ”

    Probably, but how do you get this Virus?
    By getting sick?
    Some people who get sick from Viruses die!
    So this is Ossur according to the Torah, besides being Stupid!

    #1961763
    rightwriter
    Participant

    @always ask- they don’t trust THIS vaccine. I never said they don’t trust any vaccines in general. You guys really need to work on your reading comprehension I don’t know how much clearer I can write.

    @avi k- yes untested. Vaccines take years to develop and more importantly to test on animals for many years to make sure they don’t contain harmful side effects IN THE LONGRUN. It’s so funny how everyone is so naive thinking if nothing happens right after the shot then everything is well. The long run is what concerns people not the short run, although even that has proven to be a concern. UNTESTED means they haven’t tested it for the long-run and the only way to do that is to test it for many years there are no shortcuts. What’s so difficult to understand? Not everyone wants to take the chance do you get it? If you want to take the vaccine go right ahead but leave others out of it. It has nothing to do with being an anti vaxxer. Most Americans have been getting vaccines but do not particularly trust THIS vaccine specifically. Is that so hard to accept?

    #1961820
    Health
    Participant

    Rightwriter -” Vaccines take years to develop and more importantly to test on animals for many years to make sure they don’t contain harmful side effects IN THE LONGRUN. It’s so funny how everyone is so naive thinking if nothing happens right after the shot then everything is well.”

    It’s sad that there are So many people like you, even in the Frum community.
    I wish that I could live in Utopia, like you do!
    But unfortunately Moshiac isn’t here yet.

    I hate to Burst your Bubble, but there is No such thing as a Perfect World!
    Right now we have to Judge how to save as many Lives as possible.
    So we could do nothing or we could give vaccines.
    Now if we do nothing, we already know what happens – that’s why it’s called a Pandemic!
    Now if we give vaccines, at this time, we also know the outcome.
    We know that people that are vaxxed against Covid-19 – their Survival Rate is Greater than those that aren’t vaccinated!
    Stop Living in Some Sort of Dream World!

    #1961899

    RW: they don’t trust THIS vaccine. I never said they don’t trust any vaccines in general.

    I understand you are talking about Covid vaccines. This would be plural, as you have multiple already. They all have limited testing. They have different risk profiles. If you don’t like new mRNA tech, you may want to look into Russki Sputnik. I am sure it was well tested on prisoners and military personnel. Just make sure you drink same stuff they do to dilute the risky stuff.

    Anyway, I am suggesting you to be specific – I do not like vaccine X because antigen Y potentially causes Z. And then compare it with also not-tested long-term effect of COVID that tends to leave traces of damage in multiple body systems (again, Chinese or Russians might have tested it, so ask them).

    #1961886
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Health”Probably, but how do you get this Virus?
    By getting sick?
    Some people who get sick from Viruses die!
    So this is Ossur according to the Torah, besides being Stupid!”

    -And many who have gotten the vaccine also DIED! And many who get the virus also DID NOT die!
    Noone is saying to proactively go and get the virus, but mandating that everyone get an experimental vaccine is not the right thing to do. Neither is wearing a useless surgical mask(which only protects bacteria/droplets) everywhere you go. Do you understand that they are causing more harm than the virus itself to everyones lives?

    Do you understand that this virus has over 99% recovery rate and even people who have severe issues and complications survive? You cannot force everyone to take this vaccine there is no scientific basis for it especially when the risk from the vaccine is tenfold times higher than the risk of something happening to healthy people from the virus itself. The risk heavily outweighs the benefit in this case.

    There are dangers everywhere. There also many types of viruses. People get sick, people can get hurt, people also recover and get better, its part of life. Do you want to stop the whole world in its tracks so as to eliminate any risk? Do you want all the cars off the road, do you want to eliminate food so that no risk to anyone who may be allergic, do you want to kill all the animals so that they dont get a chance to attack anyone, do you want to kill off humanity so that we just dont even have an option for anyone to be at risk from any risks?

    Seriously, you have a brain, you can use it aside from just thinking as you’re told. There are risks in life, thats why you use precaution. And whoever needs extra precautions take extra precaution. And that extra precaution can even mean avoiding an experimental vaccine especially if you are not at risk.

    If you havent seen, its all been a “Do as I say, not as I Do”. All those who have been telling you to wear a mask, stay indoors, stay 6 feet away and so on, have been caught sitting on a plane without a mask(John Kerry Picture), eating at restaurants during lockdowns(All the governors), Holding press conferences without masks(Cuomo), and so on.

    Stop feeding into propaganda. Use your own judgement. The governments can only force people to do things by how much people go along with it. And once its too late you wont be able to turn back. The only reason people need to wear masks everywhere is because people went along with it. In the beginning the Mayor said its up to the stores to decide. No matter what they did they could not curb the virus its all a smokescreen. Israel had 4 complete lockdowns and they didnt work. Why did they keep trying the same thing?

    This virus may not have started with the intention of control over the populations, but it definitely gave them the opportunity for it and they took it because people let them. Put all so called “conspiracies” aside, just take a look for yourself how you were living just 1 year ago, and how many of your liberties slowly disappeared. Have to wear a mask everywhere to get in, cant go to the gym, cant use the library, have to wait in lines out the door to buy food, and soon possibly needing a vaccine passport to be allowed to live in society. Just think about that for a moment.

    The problem is people can get used to anything and forget easily. Thats whey communism works. Its all about conditioning your mindset.

    #1961877
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Health, my dear friend, whats sad is that there are many of you out there with such sick logic.

    “Now if we do nothing, we already know what happens – that’s why it’s called a Pandemic!”

    -I think you just don’t quite understand how foolish you sound. If we do nothing its called a Pandemic? No Mr. funny, if we do nothing which has been the case until the vaccine came out, many people got the virus, survived it without issues and now have natural antibodies which are lasting over a year so far. Just about 99 point something percent of the population. Its not called a Pandemic when people survive and develop antibodies, its actually called HERD IMMUNITY.

    “Now if we give vaccines, at this time, we also know the outcome.”

    -NO, we don’t know the outcome that’s the thing here get it? The vaccine makers themselves are saying the shot will give around 3-6 months of immunity and it isnt 100% effective anyway. A vaccine by definition is not a cure or a guarantee that you wont get sick, it is an attempt to block viruses from attacking the immune system or to at least lessen them.

    “We know that people that are vaxxed against Covid-19 – their Survival Rate is Greater than those that aren’t vaccinated!”

    -NO WE DO NOT! Again assuming the person does not get ill from the vaccine or worse(in the short run), we have no idea how it will affect them in the LONGRUN. Do you understand that the vaccine is still in an experimental stage and takes years of trials to know their effects both positive and negative? Do you understand that this is only FDA Approved as an EMERGENCY Approval? Do you also know how many FDA Approved drugs have been on the market for years and years only to be taken off the market due to dangerous and adverse effects that they only found out after all those years of trial?

    This virus is extremely dangerous for some, and so is the flu and so are many other viruses.
    Those who are at a high risk can make the decision between taking a chance of possibly getting the virus, or taking a chance with an untested experimental vaccine. And thats not an easy choice since the virus can be dangerous to them but they also might not get it, or if they do they have a chance to survive it. But people who have antibodies, or are not at risk, should absolutely not be forced to take this vaccine. And if the vaccine is so effective as you state to keep people alive, then its enough if an individual takes a vaccine to cover themselves what does it have to do with anyone else?? If you are vaccinated then what are you worried about? And if you can still get the virus then whats the point of the vaccine? When did this whole idea of “it takes everyone to be vaccinated in order for the vaccine to work” come up from?
    Its simple, if you choose to take a vaccine to protect yourself thats all! What do you want from others?

    “Stop Living in Some Sort of Dream World!”

    -Sure thing, what will you tell me next, that masks work? HAHA

    #1961987

    RW: how many FDA Approved drugs have been on the market for years and years only to be taken off the market due to dangerous and adverse effects

    I asked this shaila from Rav Google and he said something like 35 out of 1500 approved (up to 2014).
    I did not read carefully though, you may want to double check.

    2020 Annals of Internal Medicine article ” Postmarketing safety of vaccines approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. ” says there was 1 _vaccine_ recall out of 57 approved in 20 year window. it was within a year of approval. There were also 58 warnings for 25 of the vaccines related to immunocompromised and pre-existing conditions and allergies. Given that Pfizer might get full authorization in about a month, it probably has a similar safety profile.

    #1962116
    ywnjudy
    Participant

    IMO, R.W., i think you may be descended from Shevet Levi along with Dr.Zelenko, and Dr.Simone Gold, among others. And zachur latov are Dr.Shallenberger and Dr.Mercola, among others.

    IMO the vaxx along with the “health” system are today’s main egel hazahav, alongside conspicuous-consumption and so-called “high-tech” – because if you want to see “compassionate” tech that’s been suppressed (as compared to today’s cold incompassionate tech utilized by the dark side), thriveon is releasing “thrive II” for Limited-time Free-viewing from 4/23 thru 5/2, upon registration.

    Alot of the dark side’s machinations is being suppressed from mainstream, for example, i’d seen someone post a Hebrew-language site where there were numerous testimonials about the harm which was rendered them by the vaxx.
    …But even if that were not the case, nobody knows for sure what future vaxx-related plans are in store for the public.

    And alot of the good side is also being suppressed too – even if the false-media might label them snake oil.

    Someone like me, who has endured the gauntlet of the unhealthcare system to the Nth degree, realizes how possible it is for such a corrupt system to be highly-tweakable to act as a trojan horse against The People.

    I also learned from having been a human guinea pig, that many sophisticated-speaking, technically fact-filled people are blind.

    Put simply & poetically:
    Their “facts” turn them blind
    And they become very unkind.

    #1962121

    While even a not-fully-vetted vaccine is generally less risky than not-at-all-vetted COVID, it may be fair to prefer one vaccine over the other depending on your risk perception. Here is my non-professional thinking, maybe others know better:
    – if you afraid of new mRNA technology, you can get a more traditional J&J one dose. It is possible that they’ll recommend boosters later on. There is a now trial for a 2-dose.
    – Moderna has a higher does than Pfizer. So, if you are afraid of side-effects, have immune problems or allergies, Pfizer may be more preferable.
    – Pfizer is also now most tested in real-life and applying for full authorization, so side effects and what to do with them can be researched now
    – you may want to spend 30 minutes near the site with a friend instead of 15.

    #1962354
    Health
    Participant

    Rightwriter -“-And many who have gotten the vaccine also DIED!”

    This is a lie.
    It’s up to you to proove this statement.
    Or you think you can lie to push conspiracy theories?!?
    According to the Torah, you must make the effort to Not be part of the 1%.
    Even if it only lasts 3 – 6 months.

    #1962452
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Health how is that lie. Heard of Hank Aaron? I’m sure you have. He died a few hours after getting the vaccine. But of course the media said it wasn’t due to the vaccine so I guess we can’t use him as proof. I’m being sarcastic.

    There have been many many who have died shortly after the vaccine. Not all were as famous as former baseball legend Hank Aaron. But 1 thing they all had in common as per the media, “they did not die as a result of the vaccine”

    Interesting coincidence that so many people were fine up until a few hours after they got the shot. I guess all of a sudden they just randomly developed health issues or pre-existing conditions right in time for the vaccine. Good timing.

    Another example is the nurse who got the vaccine on live television and fainted a few minutes later. Her excuse, “suffers from constant fainting”. Oh well that makes sense to be a registered nurse while you constantly can faint at any moment. Noone heard of her until a few days later where the tennessee hospital released a creepy short EDITED video with a jump cut showing all the staff standing on the stairs with the nurse standing as well, who was twitching and just looked very strange while noone spoke in the video. I think the nurses name was Tiffany Dover. But again it was hushed up by the media so we all can move on, nothing to see here. We also never heard of her again so none knows if she’s alive.

    Health before you call someone a liar and accuse them of spreading conspiracies why don’t you take your head out of the gutter and see beyond the propaganda. If anything, the conspiracy here is that the media covers up vaccine related deaths as unrelated incidents. That’s actually what should frighten you.

    #1962450
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Ywnjudy-IMO, R.W., i think you may be descended from Shevet Levi

    -Wow, good call

    #1962481
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Health how is that lie. Heard of Hank Aaron? I’m sure you have. He died a few hours after getting the vaccine.

    That’s a lie. He died about two and a half weeks after getting the vaccine, and there’s zero evidence of any link to the vaccine.

    #1962496
    rightwriter
    Participant

    Daas, my mistake on writing hours yes it was about 2 weeks. What makes you so certain that it wasn’t linked to the vaccine is It because the media said so?

    Besides 2 weeks after getting a vaccine can definitely still be related as many actually suffer side effects for many days after they take the vaccine. Some more serious than others.

    In any case there have been countless numbers of people in Israel and America who have died literally a few hours after the vaccine. Is that a coincidence or what.

    I never said everyone died from it. But many have.
    And also many survived the virus. And if those who had it have antibodies now, why do they need the vaccine? As I mentioned before, they have no proof that vaccinated CANNOT spread it to others, and no proof the unvaccinated CAN spread it to others.

    #1962566
    Health
    Participant

    Rightwriter -“In any case there have been countless numbers of people in Israel and America who have died literally a few hours after the vaccine. Is that a coincidence or what.
    I never said everyone died from it. But many have.”

    If you don’t bring any proof, it’s called a Conspiracy Theory.
    Why do you do it?
    Do you think that you know better than the Gedolim that say you must Vax against Covid-19?!?

    Your posts show a lack of formal education!
    Correlation doesn’t equal Causation.
    Don’t ask me what that means – Look it up or ask s/o else.

    #1962554
    ywnjudy
    Participant

    Health, there we go again spouting “conspiracy theories” rather than accurately calling people “conspiracy analysts” or their analyses “conspiracy analysis”. It’s precisely the socialist/fascist mentality to cast ridicule by repetitively parroting the media’s socialist cliches. Repeat words often enough, then we’ll believe it IF we’re fools, but you can’t fool ALL of us ALL the time. You can’t fool Rabbi Dr. Esq. Smith, Dr.Zelenko, the Frontline doctors, Rabbi Asherov of Israel, and many more such.

    How about let’s forget all “facts” because “facts” are always tweaked by bullies to fool majorities (Cuomo’s nursing home numbers being a case in point).

    Let’s even not speak about all the untold deaths, whether debatable OR not. Rather ask – why now, at this time? What might be the future ulterior motives of the powers-that-be?

    I consider this an “eis milchama” in that those whom G-d wishes to remain alive, are not dying, despite having contracted the unnatural Covid, or having taken suspicious vaxxes. And because it’s an eis milchama, these miracles are similar to the hidden or even open miracles experienced by some inmates during the Holocaust.

    I feel the same holds true for whatever other plans they have in store, whether vaxx-related or economy-related. During the upcoming eis-milchama, miracles will come into play, hidden or otherwise. I mean, after all, Rav Kanievsky paskened, and it does say “tzaddik gozer v’Hashem m’kayem”, therefore the miracles. Otherwise it could turn out to be a Chillul Hashem, since most rabbonim followed suit.

    P.S. Personally, unless i’m under duress and forced, I go by my gut-feelings based on observation, and also i go by my past experiences at the untender, unmerciful hands of the sickcare system. For example, if not for xyz podiatrist, i’d not now have a permanently swollen ankle plus worsened neuropathy, and if not for xyz phys.therapy, i’d not now have my left ring-finger puffed-up with worsened arthritis. And that’s just the TIP of iceberg (offered because they’re more easily relatable to). You better believe there’s WAY more.

    #1962537

    >> they have no proof that vaccinated CANNOT spread it to others,

    let’s look at top vaccinated countries to understand effect on overall propagation:
    4 top countries using western vaccines have all decreasing cases, top countries using Sino- and Sputnik are going up (but their whole neighboroods are going up!) . It is still hard to separate temporary trends from long-term ones, but looks promising for Western vaccines

    Israel had 8000 cases daily in January and 400 now
    Gibraltar – 130 to 0
    UK – 60K to 4k
    US 280K to 70K

    Countries that are using Chinese & Russian vaccines:
    UAE – 4k (March) to 2K, Chile – increasing, Serbia – increasing,? Hungary – increasing

    #1962603
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    What makes you so certain that it wasn’t linked to the vaccine

    Did I say I was certain it wasn’t connected? No, I said there’s no evidence. The fact that a man in his mid 80’s died a couple of weeks after a certain event took place (in this case, getting vaccinated) is not in any way indicative of a causal relationship.

    Millions of people are vaccinated daily. Of course there will be people who die on the same day they are vaccinated. That doesn’t prove any correlation. You don’t prove causation unless you study two otherwise similar groups and find that the vaccinated group has more deaths than the unvaccinated group. That has not happened.

    The very nature of conspiracy theories is that they can’t be “disproven” because whatever evidence there is is dismissed as a lie and cover up. So I can’t “disprove” your nonsense, but I can point out that there is no real evidence of the vaccines being dangerous, just worthless anecdotes.

    On the other hand, there is evidence of how lethal Covid can be, and that the vaccine is effective at preventing it.

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