December 13, 2015 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #616830mr.mustardParticipant
Why didn’t Joseph ever contact his father when he was a big shot in Egypt?December 14, 2015 4:34 am at 4:34 am #1117471Little FroggieParticipant
it would be snooping, stalking…
Seriously, many seforim deal with this. One approach is that he was scared for his life (from his brothers) and until he was able to test them out he wasn’t taking any chances.December 14, 2015 4:47 am at 4:47 am #1117472
Before he forgave his brothers he had to test them to see if they sincerely whole heartedly did teshuva for selling him and until that was done he couldn’t contact any family members even his fatherDecember 14, 2015 5:16 am at 5:16 am #1117473Little FroggieParticipant
I don’t go for such explanations. It wasn’t his job to see his brothers repentance. As opposed to others here who think they’re in HaShem’s stead to scrutinize and test other’s repentance and deeds.. Yosef knew his bounds. And he spoke with humility.December 14, 2015 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #1117474
when Hashem (not yosef) sees that klal yisroel whole heartedly does teshuva as a nation together as one (from frum to reform etc…) then he can send Mashiach & return his shchina to Klal yisroel with the Bais Hamikdosh.
until then it will have to wait R”L
BUT JUST REMEMBER there’s no one to blame but OURSELVES. how many tragedies does it take to get the wake up call from Hashem that its time to do teshuva? you think about that.December 14, 2015 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #1117475
Maybe he thought Yaakov was in on it. I mean, Avraham rejected Yishmael, Yitzchok rejected Eisav, maybe Yosef thought that his sale was his rejection. Yaakov did send Yosef to the brothers by himself without any escort (which according to the sugya of eglah arufah [the last sugya they learned together] is equivalent to killing him). Maybe Yosef thought that the brothers were acting under Yaakov’s instructions and he didn’t contact Yaakov for the same reason he didn’t contact his brothers… he assumed they didn’t want him anymore and they wanted him out of the picture.December 14, 2015 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1117476MenoParticipant
You have a real knack for hi-jacking threads. It’s kind of entertaining sometimes, but it’s usually just annoying. Maybe you should just start a blog and say whatever you’d like there.December 14, 2015 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1117477MDGParticipant
He wanted to give them the opportunity to redeem themselves through teshuva. He created a similar opportunity to prove that they did a full teshuva.
These great men knew their place in history – that they were creating a great nation. Yosef wanted the patriarch of each tribe to live in dignity, which will continue to their tribes. If he merely contacted Yaacov and forgave his brothers, they brothers would have lived out the rest of their lives with shame. Yosef removed that shame. The goal of building a great and proud was worth more to Yaacov than knowing about Yosef a few (nine really) years earlierDecember 14, 2015 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #1117478☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
Mashiach Agent, that had nothing to do with this thread. Please stop.
(Pretty please?)December 14, 2015 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #1117479
Maybe Yosef thought Yaakov was part of the plot to sell Yosef. I mean, Avraham rejected Yishmael, Yitzchok rejected Eisav, maybe Yosef thought that he was the rejected son of this family. Yaakov did send Yosef to the brothers by himself without any escort (which according to the sugya of eglah arufah [the last sugya they learned together] is equivalent to killing him). Maybe Yosef thought that the brothers were acting under Yaakov’s instructions and he didn’t contact Yaakov for the same reason he didn’t contact his brothers… he assumed they didn’t want him anymore and they wanted him out of the picture.December 15, 2015 1:32 am at 1:32 am #1117480
it does have to do with it:
just like yosef had to wait until he knew his brothers has done teshuva 100%
Hashem today is waiting until we do teshuva 100%-myself included-so mashiach can come.
i wish we would finally admit to ourselves that we need to do teshuva. so tzaros in klal yisroel can end finallyDecember 15, 2015 2:18 am at 2:18 am #1117481oomisParticipant
I love this parsha. I get very emotional every time I read it. I feel almost as though I am there. What a powerful number of lessons we learn from Yosef’s actions and interactions with his brothers, about loyalty, courage, love, kovod habrios, and why we were zochim to come as a nation from these people. Amazing simanim labanim from our Avos.December 15, 2015 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #1117482Sam2Participant
R’ Menachem Liebtag has an article online (I think on the Gush website somewhere) flushing out what simcha said and brings lots of proofs for it. It’s kinda brilliant.December 17, 2015 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1117483MDGParticipant
Continuing with the same theme I mentioned above, Yosef wanted to make the brothers feel appreciated by their father. How?
When Yosef went missing, Yaakov became inconsolable. Perhaps the brothers thought that Yaakov only felt that way when Yosef was missing, but Yaakov would not miss them. Yosef imprisoned Shimon and sent them home in order for them to see Yaakov’s reaction – that he grived for Shimon also. Remember that Shimon was rambunctious and caused trouble in Shechem. Even so, Yaakov still grieved his absence. The Shevatim now learned how much their father cared for all of them.December 17, 2015 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #1117484HashemisreadingParticipant
isn’t Parshas Vayigash the week for pegishas? I better find my kids dates fast.December 18, 2015 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #1117485
What’s the deal with Yaakov only having 3 female descendants that made it to Mitzrayim among 67 male descendants. That can’t be natural. It must have been a miracle, but if so… there must be some message behind it.December 18, 2015 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1117486HashemisreadingParticipant
So that’s why theres a shidduch crisis!
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