April 10, 2012 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #602879shmoelMember
Is the punishment for violating a m’drabbonon less than the punishment for violating a m’doraisa?
For example if someone eats a chicken-and-cheese sandwich is his gehenom for that less than if he went mixed swimming?April 10, 2012 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #867085147Participant
When you get up to Olom haBo, send us an e-mail letting us know, what happned up thereApril 10, 2012 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #867086Rav TuvParticipant
Trollish Question.April 10, 2012 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm #867087
Where does violating a rabbinical decree, that isn’t a drabonon and isn’t even universally accepted, fit in? i.e. Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom isn’t a drabonon (it was not instituted by Chazal) and wasn’t universally mekabel by all of klal yisroel. So if someone from a community that had accepted the cherem violates it, what aveira — if any — has he transgressed?April 10, 2012 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #867088Alefas ShlomoParticipant
Rabenu Yonah in sha’ar gemel elaborates on the topic in the beginging as well as it is adressed by the ran in drush 7. Also look at the gemara brachos on daf daled with rebbe tarfon that one who transgresses the command of the rabanun is m’cheuv me’ssa and it it worth looking at rabenu yonah there as well (he is in the rif in brachos).April 11, 2012 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #867089
Alefas: What do they say there? Eating a chicken and cheese sandwhich is chayiv misa?April 11, 2012 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #867090oomisParticipant
We know that D’rabbanan is typically less chomur than D’Oreisah. That doesn’t mean we should be oveir such mitzvos witht he idea that we are getting a pass because it is “only” d’rabbanan. However, the onesh is probably always more serious when transgressing a law that Hashem Himself gave versus a rabbinic decree that is put in force to help uphold a D’Oreisah. Does that sound about right?April 11, 2012 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #867091mosheemes2Member
This is up there with the trolliest troll questions which have ever been trolled.
As a practical matter you’re comparing people who are omer mutar on a d’oreisah, to people who are likely over b’meizid to a d’rabannan (at least in our cultures, where most people would as a matter of course assume chicken is a meat product).
That’s not actually a difficult question.April 11, 2012 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #867092
How can anyone ever even think omer muttar on mixed swimming?? Certainly anyone engages in that activity knows he is sinful and couldn’t care less. Why would he think that is muttar but chazzer is assur? The only difference is he has a much greater taiva to swim with girls (or boys) than to eat pig.April 11, 2012 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #867093Right PathMember
If you violate a m’drabbonon, you are actully also violating the Lav of Lo Soser which is m’doraisa.April 11, 2012 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #867094WolfishMusingsParticipant
How can anyone ever even think omer muttar on mixed swimming??
It depends on how you define “mixed swimming.”
When Eeees and I went to St. Thomas a number of years ago, we had our own private swimming pool and went swimming together. There were some posters who took me to task on it saying “how could you go mixed swimming?” Apparently he felt that swimming in private with your wife is mixed swimming. Others on these boards (myself included) disagreed.
The WolfApril 11, 2012 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #867095nishtdayngesheftParticipant
Do you think that this is really the place to post the private things you do with your spouse?April 11, 2012 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #867096WolfishMusingsParticipant
Do you think that this is really the place to post the private things you do with your spouse?
Maybe, maybe not…. but that’s not the topic of conversation here.
Besides, swimming isn’t a particularly private activity. Would you also object to my saying that I ate dinner with my wife? Or played Scrabble?
(Then again, that same poster objected to my playing Scrabble [or any game] with her as well, so who knows?)
The WolfApril 11, 2012 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #867097ToiParticipant
R’ Yonah Shaar gimmel. yikes.April 11, 2012 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #867098PatriMember
Toi – What does it say there?
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