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Now that the POTUS has — predictably — publicized his interest in cutting funding to Medicaid, food stamps, and other social welfare programs, I am curious how CR Trump voters feel about him. I know that many of my family and friends in BMG etc will be very hurt by these cuts (if they happen).
i believe it isnt such a bad move by trump, even though it hurts us. And benefits like these are a brachah but not deserved
POTUS is NOT proposing to eliminate Medicaid, Food Stamps and welfare. He’s proposing to change the benefit levels to an amount below the current spending.
Who said the current benefits amount is most ideal? If previous administrations raised the benefits to higher amounts, no future Congress can every lower it? That’s absurd.
He ran on a platform of helping the regular people
Who are the regular people?
oyyoyyoy,
And benefits like these are a brachah but not deserved
Whether or not anyone “deserves” a benefit is a red herring. Who “deserves” anything? The basis of the U.S. government, the Constitution, explicitly states that the purpose of the government is to, among other things, “promote the general Welfare.” Poverty and hunger, particularly among children who cannot choose who their parents, are not good for the welfare of the nation.
People who receive benefits when they could be working instead are also not good for the welfare of the nation
Meno,
People who receive benefits when they could be working instead are also not good for the welfare of the nation
Do you think the presence of benefits is a significant contributor to unemployment? I think a bigger problem is the gap between the “poverty” rates that determines benefits and what a true livable income is. If you were offered a job that would result in a reduction of your income, would you take it?
Avram, I completely agree.
I don’t deny that the whole benefits system is a good thing, but it has to be configured in a way such that it doesn’t discourage capable people from working.
People who receive benefits when they could be working instead are also not good for the welfare of the nation
Would you tell that to the people learning in Kollel who depends on these benefits
This isn’t about voting.
Avram:
Absolutely. There are a whole lot of people that are afraid to earn too much and lose the safety net. In NYS you can’t buy the benefits that you get for free on Medicaid.
Someone I know calculated it and realized that if they were to go to work, they would lose $40,000 annually just from losing their benefits. (I don’t think they included copay and deductibles.)Health insurance doesn’t cost $40,000, even if purchased by the consumer directly. Family health insurance costs the same whether it’s a two parent family with one child or a two parent family with ten children.
Joseph: they were most likely including SNAP, WIC, perhaps Section 8 and/school vouchers on top of Medicaid; which all adds up to a small fortune.
Mammele: That’s right.
Cutting entitlements is the third rail of politics.
Trump and his party will voted out of office if he does that.Welfare recipients aren’t highly motivated in actually voting. Reducing welfare doesn’t cause a net loss of votes. There are more non-entitlement recipients voting than entitlement recipients.
AVRAM in MD-
Im talking about a yungerman in kollel (who im pro) that can physically work and bh receive benefits. We live a mdinah of chessed, but to disprove of a president because of his move which is not an attack at all on kollel (rather a psik raisha maybe) is immature.
I think you’ll agree with me that not everyone in kollel has the right to complain? its spoiled to do so
Joseph,
Insurance premiums have skyrocketed since Obamacare was firs implemented and I know that the premiums on my plan have almost doubled in the last 6 years and the gross premiums have left $40,000 behind already. And that is with a decrease in the coverage. A plan with the same coverage would command premiums close to $60,000.
nisht, what kind of family health insurance costs $40,000 or $60,000 a year, per family?
When I was on COBRA a few years ago, I paid over $1600 a month. I just heard a guy on radio say that he pays $2500 a month for family coverage. That’s $30K per year. With Trumpcare, somebody in their early 60’s with pre-existing conditions would almost certainly pay much more.
M, he campaigned on a promise to help everyday people by bringing back jobs, not by increasing benefits. (He did promise not to cut Medicare, but I don’t think he said anything about Medicaid.) People shouldn’t be too surprised, because for the last few decades, whenever Republicans get elected, their #1 priority always seems to be to cut benefits to the poor (and increase military spending.)
Interestingly, in Israel you don’t have to choose between a socially-conservative and economically-stingy party and a socially-liberal and economically-generous party, as we do here. Instead, all the religious parties (UTJ, Shas, Bayit haYehudi) are socially-conservative and economically-generous. (They’re not necessarily for a socialist welfare state, but they’re generally in favor of increasing benefits rather than cutting them.)
(rather a psik raisha maybe)
I don’t think it’s certain that Trump or his administration
are aware of how things would affect kollel families.Everyone considers him/herself “regular people.” That’s why politicians promise to help them.
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