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I started a new topic since this is so non-democratic and has nothing to do with so called ‘legal’ attempts to overturn the election by the 3 crazies Giuliani, Powell and Ellis .
Vice President Mike Pence was sued Sunday by Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) and several other Republicans in a far-fetched bid that appeared aimed at overturning President-elect Joe Biden‘s election win.
This will remain an everlasting memorial to a president that should have been impeached and thrown out of office but was protected by the republican’s who never cared about law and order and still don’t.
jackk: When the Republicans win back the House in two years, by winning the small number of seats necessary when historically midterms the president’s party loses, and impeach Biden, you’ll eat your words.
Why is jackk so mad at Trump that he gives out all his kaas here, you can agree or disagree with someone but whats this hatred about i cannot understand
jackk:
What on earth are you talking about? You appear to have a serious case of TDS. The president was not impeached, and the basis for the impeachment was noting beyond political witchhunt. That was all proven. In fact, the info being disclosed these days shows the hoax was initiated by the top. The Dems abdicated their legislative duties and did nothing intheir terms in office except to make Trump miserable. And Trump accomplished more in his first 8 weeks than Obama y”sh in his eight years.
You are free to disagree with him. But stop making up false narratives. Go ahead and vote against him (once). But stop your stupidity. I don’t like Trump’s persona either. But he was more effective than anyone in the Dem party for many years.
ujm
What are they going to impeach Biden over?
If Biden is caught on tape conditioning foreign aide on personal favor, He should certainly be impeached and removed
ub Uh, actually he was.
To ujm: Are you being paid for your posts?
You know very little
The President was impeached. FACT
Impeachment is a bill of indictment voted on by the House of Representatives
Trump was not convicted. the Senate voted in his favor during the trial of the House;s Impeachment papers.You can believe all the lies you want, but stop posting out and out lies in the CR.
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In reality, The Trumplicans suing Pence are not Republicans any more. they are fringe lunatics who have chosen Scum over party and country.
9 posts and I still don’t know what he’s being sued for. jack can you explain?
The Little I Know – Trump was impeached. If you do not know this, you should not be posting opinions about politics. Seems, some come here posting nonsense and think it is the obligation of others to point out all the basic things they simply cannot get straight (I guess under the impression that if they are not corrected on basic factual errors they must be right).
Gohmert sued Pence claiming that Pence has the power, under the Constitution, to NOT count the electoral votes of states that did not vote for Trump. Brilliant! How come no one thought of this in the last 231 years?! You can just keep the opposing party out of power by not counting the votes on the Senate floor! That’s totally how democracy works and what the Founders intended.
Except the Constitution doesn’t say that. “The President of the Senate **shall**, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open **all** the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted.” But why let a little think like the Constitution get in the way of a coup by a wanna-be dictator? It’s not like Republicans have been yelling and screaming “the Constitution!!! strict interpretation!!!” from the rooftops since the 1850s.
When it comes to the egel hazahav, this troop will follow him into the ocean because he says it’s dry land.
ubiq: They’ll impeach Biden over the same thing the Democrats impeached — he’s a member of the opposite party. Like the Democrats the Republicans will find some pretext.
ujm – Trump was impeached because he conditioned military aid legislated by Congress on a foreign government announcing an investigation into a political rival. He admitted it, and said it was OK. Of course, there was nothing to investigate. Trump just wanted the announcement of an investigation to it would hurt Biden’s chances in the upcoming election.
And, as I’ve told you in other posts, Biden did not do the same thing. During the Obama administration, it was the policy of the United States, as approved by the REPUBLICAN Congress, that Ukraine had to get rid of corrupt government officials, including the attorney general who WOULD NOT investigate Burisma. This was the policy of the EU and NATO. This was the policy voted on by Sen. Ron Johnson and every other Republican in the Senate. There was not condition of helping in a domestic political race.
In 2018, it was not the policy of the United States that Ukraine has to investigate President-Elect Biden in order to receive military aid. Congress passed the aid without that condition. Trump tried to use the aid as leverage for a domestic political advantage. This is the WORST form of presidential abuse and corruption of power, short of taking bribes for pardons.
ujm
“he’s a member of the opposite party.”
Yeah, so thats not why he was impeached.I’m not sure if you didnt follow the news then or forgot. Breifly
The democrats impeached Trump over his using his office earn himself personal favors. his role as President is to carry out congresses laws. congress passed a law sending aide to Ukraine. Trump tried to use that aide to curry a personal favor for himself.These facts aren’t really in dispute, Trump was caught on tape. Several Republicans conceded that this occurred
What is debatable is if these facts rise to the level of “high crimes and misdemeanors”
Like I said, fellows, Democrats used a false pretext to impeach.
Don’t cry when Republicans return the favor.
You gotta give credit to these Trumpkpf Repubicans for choosing one of the dumbest member of the House to sponsor the dumbest piece of litigation in the 247 year history of our constitution. (Note that I say “one of the dumbest” since that honor belongs to one of the Dems who several years ago questioned Air Force officials at an oversight hearing about moving a new B-52 squadron to a Pacific Air Base on Guam and whether the “massive weight” of the planes might “unbalance” the island).
All of this craziness is great news for the Dems since it will likely result in a small percentage of the Trumpkopfs realizing how crazy he really is and revert to some sense of normal for the next election cycle. Sadly, this percentage at best might be 5-10 percent but that is several million voters, enough to make a bid difference in the 2020 election cycle.jackk, Biden can, should and will be impeached on a pretext just as the Democrats did in 2019. The pretext will differ from the pretext the Democrats cooked up.
ujm – You talk about impeachment like it’s something normal that is done during every administration. It’s extremely rare. Andrew Johnson’s impeachment was an extreme (and probably wrong) case in the aftermath of the Civil War when the powers of the Vice President to take over after a President dies were not well-established. Nixon was almost impeached, but had the decency to leave office rather than drag the country down that road. Bill Clinton got impeached for lying about an act of no national significance that I can’t repeat on this website.
Trump is the third present in 231 years to be impeached (Pres. Washington was inaugurated in 1789). He is the first president to have a senator of his OWN PARTY vote to remove him from office. This is NOT a normal thing and should not be repeated in future congresses regardless of party. Trump has so normalized extremism that it’s become nothing more than a political tactic.
Orech: The Democrats have devalued impeachment over the last two years. They will now have to reap what they sowed.
ujm – Democrats (and Mitt Romney, and other Republicans that left the party and voted for impeachment) used the impeachment power exactly when it was needed and what it was designed for. An extreme and rare case. When a president abuses his power to such a degree. Can any non-president get a foreign country to announce a sham investigation into their political opponent in exchange for military aid?
I was against Pres. George W. Bush and many of the things he did. But I NEVER (and most Democrats NEVER) said he should be impeached. I am 100% sure that had any of the other Republicans running for president in 2016 gotten into office, not a single one of them would even think to do what Trump did.jackk: Constitutional Law 101 for you — Harris doesn’t become president after Biden is impeached.
ujm – When Obama was President there were Republicans calling for him to be impeached, so this is nothing new. Of course when Bill Clinton was President the Republicans lead an impeachment against him (for things that Trump has violated campaign finance laws about, which should be reason enough to impeach him). Trump clearly and openly abused the power of his office. In any case talk about reaping what you sow, would have had the Democrats impeaching Bush Jr, but they never did that. They only led the impeachment against Trump, who clearly committed offenses deserving of impeachment.
Had Bill Clinton been as obstructionist as Trump, he would never have cooperated with the investigations and would never have ended up testifying under oath. So really, Bill Clinton by any standard stands miles above Trump and his corrupt through the core way he is.
Oh, and the thing Bill Clinton lied about… Well the case it was used in, had the Judge toss out that whole matter as being irrelevant. For people who say Roger Stone, who lied about a matter of direct interest to an investigation (regardless of whether the thing he lied about itself was illegal or not), did nothing wrong, hard to understand any way you can justify Bill Clinton being impeached. What Roger Stone did was much worse.
ENS: There were no serious calls to impeach Obama. There *were* serious calls by Democrats to impeach Bush. Impeachment has been devalued by Democrats into an everyday political weapon.
Clinton was deservedly impeached. The Democrats effort against Trump was a legal farce.
The Democrats and Biden will have to reap what they sowed in two years after the midterms.
ujm
“Constitutional Law 101 for you — Harris doesn’t become president after Biden is impeached.”
If he is removed she does
see U.S. Const. amend. XXV § 1
“In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.”” that honor belongs to one of the Dems who several years ago questioned Air Force officials at an oversight hearing about moving a new B-52 squadron to a Pacific Air Base on Guam and whether the “massive weight” of the planes might “unbalance” the island”
I contributed to that idiot’s campaign the first time he ran, because the incumbent was a 9/11 Truther and an Israelhater. After losing her seat to the idiot she was the Green Party candidate for President against Obama and McCain and then was part of the notorious Gaza flotilla. Later she appeared in support of Ghadafi in Libya, and of the mullahs in Iran, on their respective state run television stations. I have no regrets.
ubiq: After the midterms when Biden is impeached he will not be removed.
ujm – the GOP is such an embarrassment and people are taking notice, especially since the election. I would not be getting excited about a GOP win in the mid-terms.
Each day he plays a round of golf in Florida, which is all he has done in a week other than Tweet his mindless “election steal” rants, about 3,000 Americans die of Covid. Thats about 166 niftorim for each hole while tens of thousands are hospitalized. Sadly, thats what he and Pence (who is supposed to be managing the vaccine rollout) will be remembered for. I wouldn’t count on Pence since he appears incapable of even counting without obsequiously genuflecting to the Trumpkopf every other word.
Pence might just declare Trump the winner when he constitutionally presides over the Joint Session on January 6. His ruling is that final ruling and cannot constitutionally be judicially reviewed.
“Pence might just declare Trump the winner when he constitutionally presides over the Joint Session on January 6”
UJM: DO you really think you are being entertaining with your mindless posts. The lawyers for that other Trumpkopf nitwit Cong. Louie Gohmert just told a Federal Disctrict Court Judge in Texas that Pence had refused to cooperate with their lawsuit that would allow him to unilaterally select electors from disputed states and that he would not be willing to submit any responses to the Court on an expedited briefing schedule in order to have a decision in time for the January 6th electoral vote count.
ujm
Let’s see, you said Harris does not become President if Biden is impeached and convicted… That was clearly wrong. This is important as it really shows you just make stuff up and have no idea what you are talking about.
Likewise your idea about Pence declaring Trump the winner is nonsense.
ENS: Your reading comprehension needs a lot of improvement. I did NOT say Biden will be removed/convicted after being impeached. In fact, I clearly said he would not be.
ujm
“His ruling is that final ruling and cannot constitutionally be judicially reviewed.”
where in the world does this bizarre notion come from? (Ive heard it elsewhere too its part of the cult of Trumpism but it isnt in the constitution thats for sure)
lets think about this for a second
you think the vice President can just do what he wants? In 2000 Al gore (then vice President) could have just chosen himself as President? For that matter in 2016 Biden could’ve just chosen Hillary? or himself? Or Mickey Mouse? Could he have chosen Obama for a third term (after all it cant be “cannot constitutionally be judicially reviewed.”) ?ubiq: A FUNDAMENTAL principle of American constitutional law is that the three branches of the government, the Executive, the Legislative and the Judicial are each COEQUAL to each other. It is an undisputed and basic principle of constitutional law that no court can order Congress to act in any way.
The Vice President of the United States is constitutionally the presiding officer of the United States Senate and of the Joint Session of Congress that is constitutionally tasked with making the final count and determination of the winner of the Electoral College.
As presiding officer, Vice President Michael Pence’s rulings in the Joint Session are final and unappealable.
All of this is basic constitutional law.
ujm
“All of this is basic constitutional law.”
A bit too basic, and of course it is not correct. Congress, the President, vice president all have to follow the constitution. that can’t just do what they want. The Supreme court rules if they followed the constitution or not. so If congress passed a law saying all Jews have to leave the country. Or if the President signed an executive order barring Muslims entry. We dont say well they are equal branches , nothing that can be done. the court would rule if said action was constitutional or not
THIS is is an undisputed and basic principle of constitutional law since Marburry vs Madison in 1803
Anyway, aside from adding more misinformation on your already wrong statements, I cant help but notice that you didn’t answer my question(s)here it is again:
you think the vice President can just do what he wants? In 2000 Al gore (then vice President) could have just chosen himself as President? For that matter in 2016 Biden could’ve just chosen Hillary? or himself? Or Mickey Mouse? Could he have chosen Obama for a third term (after all it “cannot constitutionally be judicially reviewed.”) ?
No court can tell Congress how to handle its internal policies, regulations and/or legislative rulings. Passing laws is a different thing that involves multiple branches of government.
ujm
“No court can tell Congress how to handle its internal policies”
I dont know what this means. If congress made an internal policy that no Jews can sit in congress, you can bet the court can stop them.
I’m confused where you came up wit hthis difference that the court only has say over that which that ” involves multiple branches of government.” Executive orders dont (by definition) involve “multiple levels of government” and yet the Court can, and has (FDR comes to mind) overrule it.
This distinction is one that you made up. You cant just make up facts and then make up more facts to support those
and I’m still trying o understand your view
you seem to think the vice President can just do what he wants. Is this correct?
In 2000 Al gore (then vice President) could have just chosen himself as President?
For that matter in 2016 Biden could’ve just chosen Hillary? or himself? Or Mickey Mouse?
Could he have chosen Obama for a third term (after all it “cannot constitutionally be judicially reviewed.”) ?Hoping you can take a moment to clarify these (or just some) questions, Thanks
I’m not sure why you are ignoring my question. I’ll rephrase
Are you saying that Joe Biden in 2016, (and for that matter 2012), Dick Cheney in 2008, Al gore in 2000, etc all had the power to appoint any President they wanted and there was no way to stop them. And the fact that they didn’t was just out of their tzidkis or something?
“If congress made an internal policy that no Jews can sit in congress, you can bet the court can stop them.”
You’re absolutely incorrect. As egregious as such a policy would be, ONLY Congress could change that. No court.
ujm this is your very own statement:
“jackk: Constitutional Law 101 for you — Harris doesn’t become president after Biden is impeached.”
Maybe you meant she becomes president after conviction, not impeachment, but then you should not have been so unclear how you write.
thanks orechdin. how can they sue? even if he would legally be able to vote trump in, he isn’t obligated to.
ubiq – he clearly has no answer. This idea of the VP picking the President unilaterally runs counter to the idea of a democracy (and one that was formed in the shadow of a monarchy which it did not want to be). There are some ideas so basic and enshrined in the constitution that the idea you need it written out is ridiculous. The notion of government and a constitution has philosophical principles underlying it, because without that, all you really have is a piece of paper. Unless enough people are willing to demand that the nature of government and the underlying laws are respected, the paper itself is of little consequence. This parsing of words in the constitution to find meanings that clearly run counter to its objective is simply reflective of a desire to toss aside the fundamentals of American Democracy. It comes from a hatred of what America is.
ujm
“You’re absolutely incorrect. As egregious as such a policy would be, ONLY Congress could change that. No court.”
source please.
It saddens me that you lack an elementary understanding of basic US civics. Though interestingly you keep changing your position first all three branches are “coequal” and court cant check the other two. Then they can check when other branches work together but not when one works alone Now I’m not even clear what you think court cant check, but regardless it is of course wrong.At any rate Ive been trying to understand your position, I’m not sure if you saw my question
here it is again: you seem to think the vice President can just do what he wants. Is this correct?
In 2000 Al gore (then vice President) could have just chosen himself as President?
For that matter in 2016 Biden could’ve just chosen Hillary? or himself? Or Mickey Mouse?
Could he have chosen Obama for a third term (after all it “cannot constitutionally be judicially reviewed.”) ?Thanks in advance
“In 2000 Al gore (then vice President) could have just chosen himself as President?”
If Florida had submitted two opposing set of electors in 2000 (they didn’t) and Gore only recognized the Democrat slate submitted (and ignored the Republican slate), members of both houses of Congress could then either accept or reject that (Democrat) slate (by each house voting separately.) If both houses didn’t agree to reject it, Gore technically could have counted Florida for himself, giving himself a majority of the Electoral College and thereby the presidency.
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