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  • #594167
    eclipse
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    If you are going to the trouble to help someone with unusual behaviors…why do you CANCEL OUT your schar by making fun of them afterwards?

    I think that if you don’t have patience for someone…or you feel at liberty to label them JUST BECAUSE you help them…you should refer the person to someone else.

    #727986
    Sacrilege
    Member

    eclipse

    THANK YOU for bringing this up! It has always bothered me when people use derogatory terms to talk about the people they do “chesed” for.

    #727987
    apushatayid
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    #727988
    Nonsense
    Member

    eclipse

    Right on!

    The ?????? begotten from lashon hara, halbanas panim and onaas dverim greatly outweigh and mitzva (if any)

    The gemarah talks about a son feeding his father fattened geese and being ???? ???????. When it is done in a negitive attitude, there’s absolutely no mitzvah.

    #727989
    oomis
    Participant

    Sometimes one is put in a position where he is compelled to do a chessed for someone who is unpleasant. My friend who opens her home to anyone and everyone for a Shabbos meal, had a VERY last-minute Pesach Sedorim guest, a stranger who was supposed to be by someone else, but at the last minute they decided to go away for the Sedorim. My friend was kind enough to say yes. At their home, this guest was incredibly rude, insulted the meals she had prepared, proceeded to tell her how she SHOULD have prepared the food, because he doesn’t LIKE xyz of what was being served. He did some other things as well, but I cannot recall what she told me. I was appalled however, that someone would be such a kafui tov to anyone, much less someone kind enough to host him for Pesach at the last minute. And if the stranger who acted in this manner happens to be reading this – hamayvin yavin.

    I found out this story, because I myself had had an unsettling experience doing a similar tova for a stranger whom my Rov had asked me to host unexpectedly. Both my friend and I try to be gracious hosts. And I will always try to be welcoming at the time, even if I don’t care for the guest (though he will not get a second chance to insult or embarrass my family or me).

    Sometimes you HAVE to do a chessed with a less than sterling attitude. And I disagree with Yochie. I believe that Hashem gives us GREATER sachar for doing a chessed when it is especially difficult and we might have negative feelings. It is easy to be nice to nice people. Much harder to be nice to intransigent and rude ingrates. If we still manage to be, despite their ill-mannered behavior, kol hakavod.

    #727990
    artchill
    Participant

    oomis:

    Sorry! No one HAS to do a chessed.

    If a person CHOOSES to do a chessed the least they can do is shut their mouths and maintain the dignity of the person they did the chessed for. Unless the person acted as a criminal at your home a host has no right ‘yenting’ about the person they CHOSE to help. It all boils down to CHOICES, to do or to ignore. Once you made the choice, you have to live with the outcomes.

    #727991
    Feif Un
    Participant

    I have also had guests who were extremely rude. Someone once told us that the amount of food we had was “skimpy” because she’d been to places where they serve chicken, beef, 3 different salads and 4 different kugels. We only had 2 chicken dishes, one salad, and 3 kugels. She was also just really overall annoying. We told the person who asked us to host her not to send her again. We also told her that referring her to others might not be a great idea.

    #727992
    showerzinger
    Member

    artchill

    People HAVE TO DO CHESED!

    It may be a newsflash to many. And just as if you are ‘not in the mood’ and grumbly and ‘yent’ from today to tomorrow, you still HAVE to put on tefillin and keep Shabbos etc..chesed is a Mitzva too!

    NOW…there is room to say that if you already DO fufill this mitzva thru other acts of chesed that you don’t have to take on ADDITIONAL ones that are frustrating to you. However, the greatest room for growth is to do it when it is difficult. Baking cookies for your best friend who is sick is NOT a hard chesed to do. Inviting someone less fortunate who is a lil eccentric is.

    #727993
    Nonsense
    Member

    I did not mean negitive feelings (we’re only humans). I meant showing negitave attitude. It’s a gemorah.

    #727994
    miritchka
    Member

    eclipse, I’m going to assume that you’re including making a person feel lower or indebted to you too.

    Every time i see a certain person, i always feel like i owe her something due to the way she talks to me and gives me a look…

    #727995
    oomis
    Participant

    Artchill, let’s agree to strongly disagree. Chessed IS a mitzvah. Al shlosha devarim haolam omeid…etc. We are human and as such cannot ALWAYS be in a great frame of mind. That does not preclude or excuse us from doing chessed. If I go to visit someone who is ill when I myself feel exhausted from a day of watching my granddaughter, doing laundry, running household errands, and I really just want to lie down and relax (did I mention there are 18″ of snow on the ground and I have to dig out my car?) then I have done a chessed that I was really not up to doing. Sometimes we have to just suck it up. Would it be better to NOT do the chessed?

    Miritchka, it really is assur for someone to whom you are indebted, to make you feel that way by word or deed.

    #727996
    artchill
    Participant

    showerzinger:

    Obviously you have to do chessed, but a person has to choose wisely which chessed to get involved with. For a very rigid person who sees only black and white, to try and be mekarev at-risk-teens would NOT be a chessed. For a person who can’t relate to people with poor grooming and hygiene, having them at your Shabbos table would NOT be a chessed.

    Talking about the people you are trying to help is NOT a chessed.

    #727997
    eclipse
    Member

    Another angle here is only relating to someone WHILE THEY ARE IN A “NEBACHY” SITUATION.Some people don’t know what to do with you when you “catch up”!

    #727998
    eclipse
    Member

    artchill:well-explained!

    #727999
    wanderingchana
    Participant

    We had just moved to a new neighborhood and were invited to a family for Shabbos. I was in awe of the wife’s cooking skills and blurted out, “Where did you learn to cook like this??” I realized afterwards it didn’t sound quite like a compliment, and stumbled over myself, but I think I hurt her. I’ve seen her a few times since then and she’s been cool to me. I feel badly that I hurt her, but I’m afraid bringing it up again will just make it worse.

    #728000
    bygirl93
    Member

    i think u should brign it up and explain wat u meant- second times the charm- who knows ull prob end up becoming close- but tis never good to leave something misunderstood- u never no wen it will come into ur future

    #728001
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    I guess the reason they are doing chessed is to feel good about themselves, or to brag, or put on a resume.

    I doubt it’s to help the other person.

    The main reason is cuz HB”H wills us to do chessed.

    or just to help yenner, but to make fun?!

    #728002

    I don’t think you realize that you guys are making two totally different points. You aren’t disagreeing with each other, you are just mis-hearing each others points (seemingly :)) You cannot always help how you feel about the people you do chessed for or the way they make you feel, and I don’t think you have to enjoy them. But what makes you lose the schar (if I understand correctly)is complaining AFTERWARDS that the person was xyz or that you are sorry you bothered. You don’t lose the schar from being resentful of their behavior or wishing they weren’t so obnoxious, it’s the choice you make when it is done to be resentful or regretful. See the difference?

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