March 6, 2009 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #589570
I want to let u know it’s an amazing thing to wake up purim by the netz to daven i know people have done it and got engaged with in the year! does anyone know when the netz is this year?March 6, 2009 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #640608
we change the clock this week. it’s gonna be an hour later.March 6, 2009 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #640609myshadowMember
I did it last yr cuz I was up the whole night, maybe this yr I’ll try to wake up! 🙂March 6, 2009 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #640610goody613Member
earliest talis & tefillin is 6:22March 7, 2009 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #640612JayMatt19Participant
goody, why not indicate WHERE IT IS THAT earliest tallis and tfillin is 6:22
Coffee Room Readers come from all over the globe!March 8, 2009 2:04 am at 2:04 am #640613goody613Member
oops sorry! its in
brooklynMarch 8, 2009 2:41 am at 2:41 am #640614
I think here (NY, that is) netz is around 7:15. For other locations (and to confirm Brooklyn), call the zmanim hotline at 718-331-TIME(8463).
~a~March 8, 2009 2:42 am at 2:42 am #640615
JayMatt, what kind of a question is that? Obviously he was posting for the in-towners. Why did it ever occur to you that someone would post a time for the out-of-towners? The out-of-towners are lucky that YW allows them on the site to begin with. Now they are going to start quibbling over times, and think they should get special accomodations?March 8, 2009 3:29 am at 3:29 am #640616
what does Posted -1 years ago mean??March 8, 2009 3:38 am at 3:38 am #640617
lol i think the mods are playing a little purim shtick. or 1 yr in the future they just invented a way to post online into the past 😛March 8, 2009 3:39 am at 3:39 am #640618
ha well i just commented cuz i thought it was funny – but look how disoriented everyone isMarch 8, 2009 3:40 am at 3:40 am #640619JosephParticipant
moish, software bug or temporarily incorrect setting.March 8, 2009 3:43 am at 3:43 am #640620
its kinda funny thoMarch 8, 2009 4:07 am at 4:07 am #640621flatbush27Member
Pashute Yid: good points!March 8, 2009 4:41 am at 4:41 am #640622
Pashuteh Yid: lol i was also thinking something like this when i say goody613’s postMarch 8, 2009 9:44 am at 9:44 am #640623ChachamParticipant
check all zmanm at myzmanm.comMarch 8, 2009 10:59 am at 10:59 am #640624
does anyone else remember YWN having a zmanim feature on the side of the page?
chacham is the site my myzmanm.com or http://www.myzmanIm?March 9, 2009 2:32 pm at 2:32 pm #640625
Does any one know if you have to daven shmone esra by the netz?? is that the point?March 9, 2009 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #640626
In general when davening vasikin, one says shema right before netz, so he can start shemoneh esrei right after netz. Netz is really the earliest time for shacharis shmoneh esrei. Earlier than netz becomes a bdieved.March 9, 2009 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #640627
is the name of this thread driving anyone nuts, or is it just me??March 9, 2009 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #640628areivimzehlazehParticipant
I’m glad you mentioned it. Once again you helped me realize I am not the only crazy one on this earth 😉March 9, 2009 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #640629
PY could you write in detail exactly what is done, when
moish whats wrong with it?March 9, 2009 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #640631
Kapusta, I am no habitual practitioner of vasikin. But just from what I remember learning in Brachos, there is first, an inyan of semichas geula ltfila, which means we must have no break between gaal yisroel and shemoneh esrei. In addition therte is an inyan to daven smack at sunrise either because of zerizin makdimin (zealous people try to do things as early as possible) or also because of a pasuk Yiraucha im shemesh (let them see you HKBH with the sun). Because netz is the earliest possible time lchatchilah, we time shmoneh esrei to begin right after netz. But since gaal yisroel is the final bracha of shema, and must lead into shemoneh esrei, we must conclude shma right before netz so there is one continuos flow from shema to gaal yisroel to shemoneh esrei.
Note shema and talis and tefilin can be before netz, as long as they are after mishaykir (light enough to recognize a friend at distance of 4 amos). This is about 50 minutes before netz.
This is my understanding, but I am not an expert.March 9, 2009 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #640632
I think what is bothering Moish is that the title should be “Davening at Netz on Purim”. As currently phrased, it is a little too yeshivish for English purists.March 9, 2009 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #640633
thanks, Pashuteh Yid. i don’t know why my answer didn’t go through, but you said it for me.
and even if you want the title messed up, the “BY” is waaaaaay off.March 9, 2009 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #640634squeakParticipant
If you be an English purist, refrain from use of other languages in your statements. Else you will certainly make unwitting mistakes.
“Netz” would not be correct, sir.March 9, 2009 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #640636
Sorry moish01 if u don’t like the title, I will try my best to make a better one next time!
Pashuteh Yid: so do i have to start davening before netz and when netz is 7:15 in brooklyn i have to be up to shmone esra? thats what i remember doing last year!March 9, 2009 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #640637
oh i’m not a language guy or anything, but this is pretty hard not to notice.
and neither “Netz” nor “Vasikin” are English, so what’s your point, squeak??March 9, 2009 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #640638
hey does “by” mean “before a certain time??”
wait, that still doesn’t make sense…March 9, 2009 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #640639
Moish, there is a book about the Yeshivish language which translates the Gettysburg Address into Yeshivish.
The last line is:
The government of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
That a nation that shtams by the oilam, by the oilam, by the oilam, will blaib fest ahd oilam.March 9, 2009 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #640640
😉 thanks, PashutehMarch 9, 2009 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #640641
Moish, it is also proper to say in Yeshivish that Berel is an uncle by Shmerel. You just need to learn the proper grammar, Moish.March 9, 2009 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #640642
oh that one’s really bad. terrible!March 9, 2009 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #640643squeakParticipant
Netz is a spark. When referring to sunrise, we use the term HaNetz Hachama (the sparking of the sun), or HaNetz to be brief. In yeshivish English one would say “the Netz” indicating that we are talking about a specific spark and not a random flick of the cigarette lighter.
And “vasikin” is a corruption of the term k’vasikin.March 9, 2009 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #640644
i never heard anyone call a light from a lighter a “netz.” i guess i’m not that yeshivish.
and that’s a redundant ?’ ????? in the beginning. Netz Hachama is enough.March 9, 2009 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #640645
Squeak, I believe the term may possibly be heineitz hachama (a verb). In Shir Hashirim it says Heineitzu harimonim. It means the fruits have budded, i.e., the first visible rays of the sun.March 10, 2009 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #640646
So, who woke up “by the” netz this morning?
~a~March 10, 2009 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #640647ChachamParticipant
pashuteh yid —the rama himself says that.
icwill look for the maareh makom later.March 11, 2009 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #640648areivimzehlazehParticipant
So, who woke up “by the” netz this morning?
more like: who went to sleep by the netzMarch 12, 2009 2:13 am at 2:13 am #640649
areivim, tsk, tsk
~a~March 12, 2009 7:20 am at 7:20 am #640650
areivim, did you start your partying early? sure sounds it! 🙂
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