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  • #613246
    Randomex
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    Is it considered to be important in the yeshivishe velt?

    Do I make myself stick out in Lakewood by not doing so?

    Am I making people think differently about me?

    #1026454
    👑RebYidd23
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    Yes, but you should not base your decision on that.

    #1026455
    takahmamash
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    A hat and jacket do not make a person frum. Worry about what you have on the inside, and the outside will take care of itself.

    #1026456
    147
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    Only a Jekke must wear a jacket, since the title Jekke comes from jacket, as the Jekke would be the only person always wearing a jacket even in the blazing heat on the Tel Aviv beach in 1909 when Tel Aviv was founded.

    Everone else must comply with the Chiyuv Min haToro of “v’Nishmartem Me’od leNafshoseichem” and is absolutely prohibited of entering into any situation even remotely possible of coming to heat exhaustion and hence an endangering of health.

    #1026457
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    #1026458
    mordern
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    Rav Yisroel Reisman on Shimshon asks why did the fact that Shimshons hair was cut off make him loss his strength he answered that while Shimshon had long hair he looked in the mirror and saw a Nuzir for the outside affects the inside but when he lost the outside he lost the inside too. He continued that if one wants to be a Rosh yeshiva he should dress like one for it will effect his inside! Hamavin Yavin

    #1026459
    👑RebYidd23
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    So if you dress like a penguin, you’ll be like one on the inside too.

    #1026460
    mordern
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    ???????? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?????? ??? ??????

    making Litzunis of a Rav who obviously did not make up the pshat on his own but is explaining it based on chazal is is wrong and in a time when we can use all the merits we can get on should stop and think before being Mevazah a talmid chacham

    #1026461
    gavra_at_work
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    mordern – I don’t see the Olam walking around in Frocks like Roshei Yeshiva.

    So if you dress like a penguin, you’ll be like one on the inside too.

    Which is DY’s heter, because wearing H&J makes him feel like he is cool (cold temp.) like a penguin 🙂

    I personally would not wear H&J in the street, only because it is a chumrah D’asi Lidei Kulah, as if you wear H&J in the street, you are mechuyav to wear on for davening (and vice versa). Offen Mishna Berurah “K’derech Sheholchin B’rechov”. If you only wear it for davening, then it isn’t a chiyuv so you can still daven without it if you forget it. (Ask your LOR for actual Halacha).

    #1026462
    Harotzehbilumshmo
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    takahmamash: Does the famous ??? ?????? not say the exact opposite? (I don’t mean with regard to hats and jackets, I will not weigh in on that, just on your point) ????????? ????? ?? ????????.

    #1026463
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Gavra, I’m very insulted. You don’t think I’m cool either way?

    #1026464
    gavra_at_work
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    DY: The Al Capone look makes the Olam look even cooler. (That is why I specified temperature).

    #1026465
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    🙂

    #1026466
    ari-free
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    If you are a policeman and not wearing a uniform, you’re not doing your job as a cop even if you know you have all the cop skills. People will think you’re on vacation and not able to protect them. By wearing a uniform, you show the world that you are here for them and ready to serve.

    The same is true for a yeshiva guy. Nobody wears a hat in the privacy of their own home. It’s only for outside, to make a public statement that we are here as representatives of the yeshiva and that we are not on vacation.

    #1026467
    Patur Aval Assur
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    So a non-Yeshiva guy wearing a hat would be the equivalent of impersonating a police officer. And I’m an undercover cop.

    #1026468

    it depends, are you male? then the otzitz nakev holds that you probably should not walk around with a female hat or jacket (i.e.super perla) unless said hat/jacket is a male(i.e. borsalino) but if the female hat/jacket is related to you, the egel hazahav was meikel

    #1026469
    👑RebYidd23
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    Being a Jew is your identity, not a profession.

    #1026470
    catch yourself
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    Those of us who have not yet reached the level of ??? ??? ????? would do well to follow the advice of ??”?, along with all of the ??????? ??????? ????? ???? (not to mention the likes of “7 habits”, et al): If you want to be identified as a member of the community of ????? ?? ????, dress the part. Like it or not, there is a general mode of dress in that community (note I did not say a specific dress code!) If you don’t want to, fine, it doesn’t bother anyone who does. But don’t dissuade other people from doing what even you ultimately recognize as the proper thing to do!

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