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  • #605126
    gotbeer
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    Most people don’t know this but during hoshanis, one has to walking completly around the bimah 7 times. If you walk slow, there is no way it will be 7 times, maybe 4 or 5. Why is everybody walking so slow, and when I cut the line, they look at me like I took something away from them.

    Also, when saying hoshanis, both hands need to hold the lulav and esrog, not one hand.

    #899259
    avhaben
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    So how do you hold your machzir?

    #899260
    147
    Participant

    So Gotbeer:- Please let us know what Chiddush you have taught us? These are 2 Halochos which we have all known for decades.

    Next year, Pray at a small Minyan without such a crowd, and you’ll have no problems encircling 7 times.

    #899261
    Showjoe
    Member

    do you have a source?

    #899262

    when I cut the line, they look at me like I took something away from them.

    When you cut the line, you slow down everyone else on the line behind you — causing them to be unable to make the 7 full rounds! So, of course, you shouldn’t cut. What makes your 7 rounds more important than everyone else’s 7 rounds?

    #899263
    blueprints
    Participant

    Firstly no u don’t need either 7 times or 2 hand (just lechatchila 2 hands 4 halel and ikur naanuim)

    And secondly no one cares if u cut the line but the people who do normally push past and bump into everyone else in their ‘zerizus’ for the hakafos

    A mentsch would stay where he is

    I doubt any rov would cut the line if the kehilla was moving slowly

    #899264

    When you cut the line you make them walk even less. A lack of derech eretz may be a bigger issuer than not doing the full 7 swirls or a one hand hold. If you are really concerned add another table and it will move faster and spread out people so you can simply go around slow folk w/o cutting anyone off.

    #899265
    TheGoq
    Participant

    How do you hold the siddur?

    #899266
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    By us, the rav told the chazzan to wait until he returned to the bimah before starting the next set of Hoshannos. Thus, we enabled everyone ti circle seven times while saying the seven sets of Hoshannos.

    The Wolf

    #899267
    Sam2
    Participant

    At my Minyan, there were 5 people who didn’t circle the Bimah once.

    #899268
    squeak
    Participant

    Anyone with sense throws out their lulav after hallel on hosh rabba since the mitzva is over. Then, you have no lulav for hoshanos and no reason to walk around. No reason to complain.

    #899269
    haifagirl
    Participant

    Nobody in any minyan walks slow. There may be, however, those who walk slowly.

    #899270

    first of all 7 times is only on hoshana raba, not the whole yt just making that clear. second, mishna brurah doesnt say anyting about holding the lulav with 2 hands (all this said by my bro, just sayin i dont learn mishna brurah :P)

    #899271
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    In our minyan the chazan times his walk so that he finishes each of the 7 sections at the time that he gets back to the amud, this usually means saying the last few lines without walking or while walking very slowly. Everybody else behind him just follows along and everybody ends up doing 7 (or at least 6+)

    #899272
    Toi
    Participant

    hi feif.

    i always kick peoples heels by hoshanas if theyre going too slow. they think its by accident so they chap to hurry up. but really its on purpose.

    #899273
    Ken Zayn
    Member

    ” Also, when saying hoshanis,

    both hands need to hold the

    lulav and esrog, not one hand…

    …So how do you hold your

    machzir?… “

    This is where those mini hoshanos booklets come in, some have clips to allow you up literally clip it onto your lulav. Others are on a piece of paper.

    ” Firstly no u don’t need … 2 hand (just lechatchila 2 hands 4 halel and ikur

    naanuim)”

    In the ??? ???? that many recite before shaking ???? it says ” ???? ?????? ???? ” which is singular (hand), not plural (hands). How does this fit in?

    BTW who saw the hilarious picture of the shul where everyone sticks a copy of the ??????? onto the back of their ???? and they all go around the ???? reading from the back of the guy in front of them…

    #899274
    gotbeer
    Member

    Avhaben & The Goq- Put it on top of your wrist.

    147- My concern is that people don’t know the halacha & I will daven where I want to.

    Showjoe- Ask 147 & it says it in the Machzor.

    Litvish KJ- If they would walk faster we wouldn’t have this problem & mine are not more important its just that I am knowledable in the halacha.

    Blueprints- You do need to & I don’t bump or push.

    Medium Thinker- Like I said before, we wouldn’t have the problem if they were walking faster. A lack of derech eretz isn’t the solution to every problem.

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