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  • #2014249
    Participant
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    Opinions only.
    No facts.

    #2014270

    if its no facts than no.

    #2014282
    eishis chayil
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    absolutely no. biden won fair and square

    #2014284
    Goldilocks
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    If it’s only opinions, then yes.

    #2014285
    ujm
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    Was there fraud? Absolutely. Was it enough to change them outcome? Probably not but there’s absolutely no way to be certain.

    Fraud has been a hallmark of the Democrat Party for many decades. When Lyndon Johnson stole the election from Nixon on behalf of his running mate John Kennedy in 1960, as is widely known was done by LBJ in Texas and by the Daley crooked political machine in Chicago, it wasn’t a new thing for the Democrats. They had much experience. Daley was an old hand as was LBJ and other Democrat machines.

    And they didn’t suddenly stop committing fraud after stealing 1960. In New Jersey Democrat candidates were convicted of election fraud even in the last decade.

    #2014289
    Reb Eliezer
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    No. Not enough fraud to change the outcome.

    #2014319

    how come any post written by reb eliezer it says This reply was modified 19 minutes ago by YW Moderator-29 👨‍💻.

    #2014353
    CHOOSID
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    HAMOTZEY MECHAVAROH ALAV HARAYAH!!!!!!!
    -Bava Metziah

    #2014381
    Reb Eliezer
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    Participant, aren’t you belaboring the obvious that I added something to the original post?

    #2014386
    ujm
    Participant

    The system considers a moderators approval of a post to be an edit. You’ll only see that note if the original poster makes another edit after approval (and doesn’t uncheck the show edits option.)

    #2014395
    Reb Eliezer
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    The CHOOSID is clear. An election was done and to undo it proof must be given. The one wanting to undo it must provide the proof not vice versa.

    #2014390
    Reb Eliezer
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    I also have many typos which I correct. Any post does not have it but most and the question was asked before by GH and answered.
    I have many posts that correct a previous post when edit is not available.

    #2014408

    RebE > I also have many typos which I correct.

    RebE’s posts are important, thus he bothers to correct them. Others, including mine, are not as important, so the grammer aint metter.

    #2014413

    RebE > The CHOOSID is clear. An election was done and to undo it proof must be given.

    Or you can read it that Trump was in office already, so Harris had to show that she was elected without hashash of geneiva. [Rosh Hasnana started with saying that count King’s years from inauguration, elector meetings do not matter]

    #2014415
    Health
    Participant

    Participant -“Was the 2020 election stolen?”

    Of course it Was!
    There are tons of proof. Just look at Antrim County, Michigan.
    The reason that they were able to prove that there – because they had an Honest Judge.
    The rest of the Court Cases – either they were DemonCrat Judges or they were Repos – too Scared to Rock the Boat!

    I’m glad the way things turned out.
    But I feel Sorry for the Middle Class in this Country.
    You will almost Never get out of your class Due to taxes!
    You guys are Doomed!
    But those who voted DemonCrat – you got what you deserved!

    #2014432
    philosopher
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    Was the 2020 election stolen. No, it wasn’t stolen according to FakeFactCheckers.com.

    #2014447
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Notwithstanding health,

    An election can’t be stolen because there is no ממשות so it’s not מטלטלין and therefore if it’s not מטלטלין it has to be קרקע and קרקע אינו נגזלת

    Unless you’re talking about the ballots, but the question was about the election and I don’t know who owns the ballots after you submit it

    #2014467
    Reb Eliezer
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    AAQ, in a democratic society, every four years the presidency disbands as the president takes a new oath of office. So the election creates a new entity and the proof is on the undoer of the election and not vice versa. Under no condition can he become a president more than eight years.

    #2014502
    Reb Eliezer
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    coffee addict, we don’t need patent protection as it cannot be stolen but dinei demalchusei dinei who says it can.

    #2014508
    Reb Eliezer
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    coffee addict, can intellectual property be stolen?

    #2014509
    huju
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    What is so special about this topic? I thought “no facts” was a requirement for all right-wing posts on YWN.

    #2014527
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Reb eliezer,

    In the 7 Mitzvos Bnei Noach דינים are separate than גזילה

    This wouldn’t fall under a גזילה דין but rather a דינים דין

    I hope you realize I was making a joke in my first post and this is my addition to that joke

    #2014528
    CTLAWYER
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    @RebEliezer
    You don’t quite understand the 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
    Your statement that no one can be president more than 8 years is false.
    One can only be elected to 2 Four Year terms. BUT, If a person (usually the VP) assumes the Presidency upon its vacancy (Death, Resignation) for no more than two years, that President may be elected twice and serve for no more than TEN years total.

    “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.”

    #2014534
    yaakov doe
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    No despite Trump’s claim prior to the election that if he lost it would be stolen.

    #2014563
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Huju – I’ll take ‘no facts’ over making up my own and getting the FBI to sign off on them… just saying

    😉

    #2014565
    DovidBT
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    @CTLAWYER

    Is there a limit to the number of times a Vice President can be elected?

    Hypothetical scenario:

    A person is elected as VP. Six months into his term, the President dies, and the VP becomes President for the remainder of the term.

    Then another candidate is elected as President along with the SAME Vice President. Again, the President dies after six months, and the VP becomes President again.

    Could that weird scenario repeat indefinitely (until the VP succumbs to old age)?

    #2014570
    smerel
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    I don’t know.

    I have no evidence that the election was stolen but I don’t put it past anyone to engage in election fraud.

    The Democrats spent many years telling me that Trump only won because of Russian collusion without giving me any evidence either. Apparently they don’t believe that winning the election through voter fraud is particularly difficult.

    Why should I now assume that none took place? Because the people who four years ago were telling me about the election being a result of Russian collusion are now telling me that all such claims are false and baseless?

    #2014582
    Yserbius123
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    No.

    1. As soon as the results were called, Guiliani et al were already pushing forward various theories about how the election was stolen. All of them were thrown out of court for not having a leg to stand on. This is pretty good evidence that the “stolen election” narrative is an invention for the profit of Trump’s team and nothing else
    2. Recently, Arizona’s Maricopa County completed a massive and controversial audit of the election. The worst things that the audit found was a deleted hard drive and a bunch of mail-in ballots that were sent to the wrong address. Neither would have been enough to swing the election results in the state of Arizona
    3. Mr. Pillow Man has been releasing video after video claiming to have evidence that the election servers were hacked. He has yet to release a single shred of said evidence and instead resorts to giving air time to people who claim to have seen the hacking
    4. Notably, nobody who supports the narrative has had a single consistent story since day one. Every time a claim has been debunked, a new one surfaces. It shows pretty clearly that it’s not a narrative based on data, but rather evidence is being invented to fit the narrative.
    #2014583
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    CTLAWYER, I should have said, no president can be elected more than twice, so he does not own the office as AAQ presumed.

    #2014584

    coffee > קרקע אינו נגזלת

    I was thinking the same question. Is it karka – White House, or is it movable – Obama’s “a phone and a pen”, and I presume also a red button. Also, I think we presume that non-Jews always steel karka so you let them cut the arovos and they seem to agree now (happy indigenous day!): Brits stole White House karka from Indians, Colonists from Brits, Brits burnt it by halakha of a rebellious city.

    Ctlawyer, what happens on Jan 20 if an election continues being in legal dispute – supreme-court-ordered recount or revote, electors deadlocked, House deadlocked?

    Also, is gezelah a high crime and can a President be impeached for that? probably not of movables

    #2014616
    ujm
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    It’s quite funny. For four years the Democrats cried that Trump won in 2016 via fraud. After 2020 the Democrats claimed fraud is rare to non-existent.

    In 2018 the Democrats cried Brian Kemp won in Georgia illegitimately and that they will not recognize his win. Suddenly in 2020 the Democrats decreed that it is “undemocratic” for the loser to not recognize the winner.

    #2014614
    ujm
    Participant

    huju- No facts are a hallmark of the left.

    CTL – Actually, there’s no limit on how many years a person can be president. A person can be elected Vice President an unlimited number of times and then repeatedly assume the office of the presidency with the resignation of the President-elect or President.

    #2014638
    Health
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    Yesr -“As soon as the results were called, Guiliani et al were already pushing forward various theories about how the election was stolen. All of them were thrown out of court for not having a leg to stand on.”

    That’s because the So-called Honest Judges don’t want to see the evidence!
    From previous:
    “The rest of the Court Cases – either they were DemonCrat Judges or they were Repos – too Scared to Rock the Boat!”

    #2014739
    Goldilocks
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    UJM: A person who isn’t qualified to be President (for whatever reason) cannot be elected vice-president.

    #2014812
    Gadolhadorah
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    Is there a yiddeshe version of “Groundhog Day”??

    Jenna Ellis was back on OAN this weekend to reveal that she and Mike Lindell now have “irrefutable” evidence of election fraud that will result in the five key swing states revoking their certification of the Biden win and Congress, in turn, will inovke the 25th Amendment to restore Trump to office prior to 2024.
    And no, I’m not creative enough to make up this kind of meshugaas that sadly is believed by millions of the Trumpkopfs.

    #2014825
    yechiell
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    no it was not.
    but did mexico pay for that wall?
    seems like a better question

    #2014827
    yaakov doe
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    If the election were stolen how did those who rigged the election allow Republican candidates for Congress to outperform Trump by large margins. Wouldn’t they have also stolen those races? The pillow guy has had irrefutable evidence for 11 months and so far has produced nothing. Will he reveal what he has by the Trump campaign yartzeit?

    #2014843
    anonymous Jew
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    GH, you have to admit that Democratics denigrating Republican claims of fraud, legitimate or not, are somewhat hypocritical. Afrer all, Stacy Abrams gained prominence in the Democratic Party precisely because she never stopped claiming, without proof, that she was a victim of voter fraud. Hillary still calls Trump the illegitimate president.

    #2014867
    smerel
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    >>>If the election were stolen how did those who rigged the election allow Republican candidates for Congress to outperform Trump by large margins. Wouldn’t they have also stolen those races?

    Actually the irregularity of that (1)so many more votes were cast for Republican congressional candidates and that (2) so many people voted only on the presidential level but ignored the congressional races has been used as a proof of voter fraud.

    It is totally not a question as to why did the fraud only occur on the presidential level? (1)There was a much bigger passion among the fraudsters to see Biden win/Trump lose and (2)it is much easier to spread it out and make the fraud less noticeable on a presidential level

    #2014878
    Health
    Participant

    YD -“Wouldn’t they have also stolen those races?”

    They did. That’s why they (DemonCrats) have both houses.
    If they won everything, by wide margins, even a guy like you would know that there was Fraud!

    “The pillow guy has had irrefutable evidence for 11 months and so far has produced nothing. Will he reveal what he has by the Trump campaign yartzeit?”

    Why do you Libs keep saying that?
    He produced a Documentary on the Election Fraud very soon after the Election.
    And what did the Libs & Media do?
    They censored it. If it wasn’t true, you put up a Refuting Documentary. But instead they acted like a Commy Country and censored the whole thing!

    #2014965
    akuperma
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    It was “stolen” by Donald Trump. The results for offices other than president appear to indicate that 2020 should have been a good year from the Republicans, but the man at the head of the ticket managed to “steal” defeat from the jaws of victory by his own incompetence as a politician.

    If the Democrats were stuffing the ballot boxes, there would have been a massive blue wave, since election cheats never split their ticket.

    #2014983
    Health
    Participant

    Akuperma -“If the Democrats were stuffing the ballot boxes, there would have been a massive blue wave, since election cheats never split their ticket.”

    That’s your mistake.
    The Steal was with the Election Computer Systems.
    They made sure that DemonCrats won Both Houses, but not by a lot. So it wouldn’t be too obvious that it was Stolen!

    #2014989
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Trump would actually have had a better argument if he had retained legitimate election experts and lawyers to press his claims. Instead, he went forward with the biggest show and clowns ever assembled in the history of American election litigation starting with Guiliani, Ellis and that world-renowned dog-pillow expert, Mike Lindell to lead the charge. Even otherwise sympathetic Trump judges, including SCOTUS, threw them out of court on both substantive and standing grounds. In depositions, Crazy Rudy claimed he “knew nothing” about election laws in the states where he appeared to claim fraud and also said he had no obligation to undertake even minimal diligence or verification of the allegations he included in his filings. As to Lindell, the guy seems in desperate need of professional intervention (along with his chevra in the Cyber Ninjas of Arizona fame)

    Edited

    #2015020
    smerel
    Participant

    >>>Trump would actually have had a better argument if he had retained legitimate election experts and lawyers to press his claims.

    Initially Trump did in fact try to legitimate election experts and lawyers to press his claims.

    The harassments those law firms got from Democrats caused them to drop the case. The harassments those law firms and anyone who dared say that “MAYBE fraud took place let’s look into the allegations ” got from Democrats is one of the reasons I’m not convinced it didn’t take place.

    Not saying it did of course. Just that I don’t know but DO know that if it did the Democrats and media would lie and do whatever else they could to cover it up.

    #2015029
    ujm
    Participant

    The Democrats have a history of electoral fraud.

    #2015035
    jackk
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    Stop blaming democrats.

    Trump’s own people in government – from the US Attorney General (who he considered his personal lawyer) to his own staff – told him to take a long walk off a short pier.
    There was never even a single valid allegation of fraud. They were all wild bizarre conspiracy theories.
    The law firms saw straight through the dictator wanna be and weren’t willing to risk their reputation and livelihoods on the con man.

    The lawyers that followed Trump have all paid the price for trying to destroy American democracy.

    #2015051
    smerel
    Participant

    >>>The lawyers that followed Trump have all paid the price for trying to destroy American democracy.

    Wow! Your whole post is so full of emotion, malice and slavish party line propaganda I can only only ask do you really think you are more objective about this than a crazy Trump supporter?

    For me personally the fact that Democrats SCREAM and RAVE with some emotion and ridicule about this issue is one of the reasons that (1)I don’t trust them and (2)I think that deep down they realize that maybe there really was election fraud.

    To quote Shakespeare “Methinks that women doth protest too much”

    #2015176
    jackk
    Participant

    Smerel,

    Didn’t realize that you have an internet emotion detector. If I knew, I would have first taken some valium and xanax before typing. Or is that your way of trying to win an argument by attacking the person?

    Democrats SCREAM and RAVE that there are trump supporters, including current members of congress, who would have allowed and encouraged Pence to unconstitutionally decide the election for Trump.

    Democrats SCREAM and RAVE that even after Jan 6th 2020, most of the republican party will still vote for Trump for President in 2024.

    Democrats SCREAM and RAVE that republican’s assume that the democrat’s have to prove that there was no fraud when it is the burden of trump to prove that there was.

    We almost lost our democracy on January 6th 2021 and we still could.

    The point is that the democrats and the media (including Fox) were not the ones who realized immediately that all of Trump’s claims were bogus and fake. It was his own people. His own administration. His own republican’s. ( and for Health’s entertainment – his own RATpublican’s.)

    #2015191
    Health
    Participant

    Oh Jackk -“There was never even a single valid allegation of fraud. They were all wild bizarre conspiracy theories”

    It’s funny how you DemonCrats resort to lying to Manipulate e/o.
    If you wrote that most allegations are false, that could possibly be believed.
    I hope that you are in the Middle Class, because they are Doomed due to Taxes!

    BTW, go watch the video from the Truck contractor that said his route was changed and they refused to let him have his usual trailer back.
    All the right wing news figure because he picked up votes in Long Island and brought them to Pa.
    Most NY votes went to Biden. So they switched the Votes in Pa. to make sure Biden won.
    Yea, a simple Truck driver is Making “wild bizarre conspiracy theories”!

    #2015222
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    Participant

    Hey!
    No facts allowed!

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