Was there really a spitter in Beit Shemesh?

Someone WAS arrested

Id Post his name here, but some might consider it Loshon Harah.

I DONT as true sinners must be exposed and put in Cherim

Knowing well the chareidi-hatred permeating the Israeli media, we know from very many past experiences that the media can manafacture lies against chareidim from cloth.

Next up: How do we know there was a girl? “She’s” really a 35 year old man with dwarfism in a disguise paid by the media to make chareidim look bad.

After that: Who says there are really people protesting at the school? It’s really a bunch of actors hired by the chareidi-hating media to make chareidim look bad.

After that: How do we know that there is even a non-chareidi school there? I think that the media set up the whole operation (including bussing in chiloni kids day after day for months, hiring actors to play teachers, parents, etc.) to make chareidim look bad.

The next step: Who says that there are even non-chareidim living in Beit Shemesh at all? The “chareidi-hating media” rented all those houses, brought in a bunch of leftist troublemakers to make it look to the world like there is a thriving non-chareidi community, and set up the conflict years ago by starting to build a school, knowing that the chareidim were going to eventually move into the area.

The next step: How do we know that there are any non-chareidim at all in Israel? Maybe all these chilonim, dati-leumi and others are brought in from neighboring countries just to cause trouble and make the peaceful chareidim of Israel look bad?

The Wolf

I’ve seen video of Charedim spitting on women. This isn’t a big conspiracy, you know…

This thread was already started by a different member! yes and i strongly believe this should stop right here, as in the other thread it lead to big gossip!! it is better for a person to be considered a fool his whole life then to be considered wicked in the eyes of Hashem for even one minute! Hamayven Yaven and good shabbos! im outa here!

The truth of the matter is that the spitter is the least of the problems.

The problem is whole groups of grown men who go down to a school of young girls to yell at them, calling them “prutzah” and “zonah.”

The problem is a group of grown men who believe that it’s proper to hang around a school inspecting the legs of little girls for stockings rather than to remain in the beis midrash where they belong.

The problem is a group of grown men who feel that somehow yelling “prutzah” and “zonah” at people (and little children!!) is the best way to get people to dress in the style they want, rather than trying the approach of Aharon who was an Oheiv Shalom v’Rodef Shalom.

The problem is a group of men who seem to think that they can move into a mixed neighborhood with a history of harmonious living and try to force everyone to things *thier* way.

Those are the real issues. The spitter is just the straw that broke the camel’s back. And if, for the sake of argument, he never existed, that doesn’t change the real problems here, which are very real.

The Wolf

I take back that slur about cluelessness. It was unwarranted. I will judge Mr. Wolf lkaf zchus that he lives far from Bet Shemesh and is unaware of the realities in the area, perhaps even in Eretz Yisroel in general.

Let us take this s a rule of thumb; When you see other Jews – especially a group – accused of some aberrant behavior, ask yourself “would I believe this about people in my shul? No. So I won’t believe this about them either. There must be more to the story”

I’ll give an example; AN avreich yelled at a female soldier who was sitting among them men as a planned protest. Ok.

He was arrested. So far this is what everyone has heard.

What people may not have heard is that the police wanted to release him, and not arrest him, because he did no crime – yelling at someone is not something you are arrested for. However that soldier is a bigshot in the army and is trying to force the issue. That’s how she got him arrested.

I don’t know how it will end, but please do use your brains and good judgement; there is more than meets the eye…

I will judge Mr. Wolf lkaf zchus

There is absolutely no reason to be dan l’kav z’chus when it comes to me. Just like Bilaam, you are allowed to assume the worst about me.

That being said, so I assume that somehow the non-Chareidim in the area somehow instigated the yelling of “prutzah” and “zonah” at little girls?

The Wolf

I heard from someone who has relatives in Beit Shemesh that there was in fact such a spitter. What is the difference? Do you think this has not happened before when it was NOT reported?

You know what? I don’t really care to argue the point anymore.

So fine. I’ll concede all of the following:

There was no spitter.

There was no one yelling “prutzah” or “zonah” at little girls

The people who did protest were either actors dressed to look like chareidim or maybe the whole protest never happened and was the invention of the leftist-secular media to make the chareidim look bad.

The whole non-Chareidi section of Beit Shemesh is just a construct of the leftist chareidi-hating media designed to portray the image that chilonim and dati people cause trouble for chareidim.

Happy now? I’ve agreed with all your points (and more).

The Wolf

I found out over shabbos the children of my neighbor (who used to live on my block before he was married) moved to RBS and his daughter attends the school.

He has seen this activity for months and most people in the shul knew about it (I wasnt so friendly with them , so I didnt know)

if you listen and watch carefully to the video clips, you;ll see that the girl neama just said that she;s scared of going to school, which is understood when in the last weeks the protesters were standing by the corner of the block (as seen in other clips) yelling, she didn;t mention a word of the spiiting, leaving us to think its a story made up by the mother.

secondly in the clip were supposetly the yungerman says he spit on a girl (as reported in ywn), its NOT what hes saying, he said he holds that his way is the right torah way and that his rabonim hold its to be seperation, and that putting a modern girls school in a total ultra ultra sector, he didn’t answer on the spitting buisness

First of all there definitely was a spitted. None of you understand what these extremists are trying to do. They are having between 10-15 children and need more places to live. They want to and eventually will make bet shemesh the next meashea rim. Their rabbonim don’t approve of their acts, but their.main concern is the end result.