January 7, 2011 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #594044
First of all, its good to finally join the coffee room after just “viewing from the sidelines” for a while. Anyway I thought this would good place to pose a question that has concerned me (Not too much) and am curious to hear peoples opinions on it. As a child I used to love the wizard of oz and still enjoy it from time to time and would like to share it with my kids. I recently started thinking “Should I be taking such enjoyment from a movie that was made in 1939, a time that was so horrible for our us in Europe?” or am I over-thinking it? I feel funny that the movie I enjoy was made while R’L millions of Jews were endangered and being killed. What do you guys think? And, this is not a question if one should watch movies in general(its a clean movie).
Welcome to the CR, in the future please use spell-check.January 7, 2011 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #726130RuphRuphMember
So there’s your welcome.
I just can’t see it as a problem, try as I might. I enjoyed reading a Dr. Suess book made in those days, should I fast? This is really pushing it. You are supposed to feel along with your brothers, but this goes way beyond that.January 7, 2011 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #726131
I don’t see how to use it.January 7, 2011 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #726132RuphRuphMember
Are you referring to the Mod’s comment? If you use FireFox or Google’s Chrome, as you type, it checks your spelling.January 7, 2011 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #726133
clean movie? its got witchcraft, a tornado which could be a metaphor for going off the derech, Mrs. Gulch has a big nose it could be anti-semitic, it has kol isha, it has the wizard which is a kind of avoda zora, the lollipop guild only had treif lollys,
it has gneva of the ruby slippers, it had a crystal ball which is a form of divining a no-no, it has drug use (the flowers that put dorothy in a trance), it has a lion with low self esteem (theres a red flag for ya!), clean?! i think notJanuary 7, 2011 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #726134
As for me, it’s a great film, maybe scary for young kids, as for the time line if I was to stop using things during that time period I would have to stop using scotch tape, nylon and the photocopier….January 7, 2011 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #726135
clean movie? its got witchcraft and let the bashing begin, welcome to the coffee roomJanuary 7, 2011 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #726136AinOhdMilvadoParticipant
People, – his question was about the question of the era, not the movie per se.
Maybe you should rephrase the question…
Would it be ok to enjoy reading a (clean) novel written in 1939?January 7, 2011 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #726137
tongue is placed firmly in cheek mikeJanuary 7, 2011 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #726138nfgo3Member
TheGoq: You seem awfully familiar with a movie that you think you should not watch. And by the way, does anyone know why this movie is so popular among people who participate in toeva marriage? I do not know.January 7, 2011 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #726139
i thought i was being funny mike,nfgo sorry i missed the markJanuary 7, 2011 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #726140
Thanks for the editing know-how. Goq, you sure seem to be well versed in the movie. Mike, you make a good point but I do not really take pleasure or enjoy using scotch tape. Thats what makes me feel funny about watching the movie(enjoying it).
And Goq, maybe you could look at it as Dorothy(Jews) being carried to OZ, a foreign land (galus) and trying to find her(their/our) way back home…and learning that we should want to be home. It also tells us that Hashem provided us with all the character traits we may need, even though we may feel lacking at times(i.e. a brain, a heart and courage).
…If you want to hear my “the theme of Moshiach in Beauty and the Beast” too, let me know…or is that movie also Asur?January 7, 2011 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #726141
nfgo3, see above post, like mine tounge in cheek 🙂January 7, 2011 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #726142charliehallParticipant
“Should I be taking such enjoyment from a movie that was made in 1939, a time that was so horrible for our us in Europe?”
It is a reminder of how Americans were so clueless and disinterested in what was going on across the Atlantic.
You should also see “Gone With the Wind” by the same director, produced in the same year, to see the the sanitized portrayal of chattel slavery.
But also see the 1940 film “The Great Dictator”, a bitter satire of Hitler and the Nazis directed by (and starring) Charlie Chaplin. It was the first anti-Nazi movie made in America (1940) and Chaplin’s first talking picture. Chaplin (who was not Jewish) hated Hitler and the Nazis but he later said that he could not have made a satirical movie had he know how bad things really were. “The Great Dictator” was very popular in the US and the UK and helped increase popular support for the anti-Nazi cause.January 8, 2011 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm #726143Ken ZaynMember
I think not using stuff made in Germany during the war is a good moral issue. But not to use ANYTHING made during the war years? I dont think so. Anyways it would be esp hard for me. It would mean i cant enjoy my mother…??? ;-(January 8, 2011 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm #726144frumladygitMember
TheGoq has a very good sense of humor.January 9, 2011 1:46 am at 1:46 am #726145
Ken Z, you are funny. Goq, you are funny too(at least I got it was a joke).January 9, 2011 2:59 am at 2:59 am #726147LAerMember
Goq, good one! But in all seriousness, that movie scared the living daylights out of me when I was a kid. Make sure your kids can handle it before they see it. I had nightmares about those flying monkeys for a very long time…January 9, 2011 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #726148
ty frumladygit and myname 🙂January 9, 2011 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #726149Sender AvMember
I think its fine to watch the movie. As to why it is so popular with those involved in Toevah marriage, IMHO, I think it has something to with how colorful and “cheery” it is.January 9, 2011 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #726150WolfishMusingsParticipant
As to why it is so popular with those involved in Toevah marriage, IMHO, I think it has something to with how colorful and “cheery” it is.
Actually it has to do with the fact that Judy Garland has become a gay icon (even though she, herself was never gay nor strongly expressed any sentiment with the gay rights movement.
When asked about how she felt about being a gay icon, she responded, “I couldn’t care less. I sing to people.” — Wikipedia.
The WolfJanuary 10, 2011 12:07 am at 12:07 am #726151charliehallParticipant
“I think not using stuff made in Germany during the war is a good moral issue.”
Actually I think every Jew should see Leni Riefenstahl’s “Triumph of the Will”, a 1935 Nazi propaganda film. It is one of the most masterful works of propaganda in history and had a lot to do with why the Nazis had little opposition in Germany.
And then follow it up with Frank Capra’s “Why We Fight”, a series of American propaganda films that were used to increase American support for the war. Clips from Riefenstahl’s film were used — and countered.
(And if you really want to see horrible but effective propaganda, see D. W. Griffith’s 1915 “The Birth of a Nation”. It turns the Ku Klux Klan into heroes.)
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