June 24, 2013 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #609772
It’s being carried live on Channel 10 news’s website from TampaJune 24, 2013 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #964390
It’s gonna go on for weeks.June 24, 2013 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #964391resident of ds9Member
I apologize for the ignorance, but which trial?June 24, 2013 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #964392
I think he’s talking about the trial of George Zimmerman, the security guy who shot teenager Trayvon Martin a while ago.June 24, 2013 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #964393
This opening statement is not very dynamic. Not at all like in the movies.June 24, 2013 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #964394
The prosecutor’s crossexamination is where the action begins.June 24, 2013 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #964395
Popa. Enjoy disney 🙂June 24, 2013 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm #964396Sam2Participant
The whole trial is ridiculous. It’s only to placate a massive mob. There is no grounds for a trial at all here. The fact that he was arrested was a disgrace to the justice system.June 24, 2013 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #964397
lame joke in opening comments by the defense
lame joke in opening comments by the defense who?
is this guy for real?June 24, 2013 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #964398UtahMember
I dont get why they would televise this trial. Isnt that against Zimmerman’s rights?June 25, 2013 12:41 am at 12:41 am #964399MorahRachMember
Sam2 exactly. The whole thing is a medi circus and an innocent man is being strung up by the liberal politicians and media. I hope justice is served and Mr. Zimmerman is acquitted of all charges.July 1, 2013 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #964400
It’s like the prosecution is trying to lose the case. They cant really be this incompetent can they?July 1, 2013 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #964401
Has anyone been watching? I am relieved to know that in the future if someone calls me a creepy (expletive deleted) cracker that its not meant racially.July 2, 2013 4:12 am at 4:12 am #964402
Sam2 -“The whole trial is ridiculous. It’s only to placate a massive mob. There is no grounds for a trial at all here. The fact that he was arrested was a disgrace to the justice system.”
I agree. What happens in a case like this is if a party claims self-defense and has the wounds to prove it -there is no arrest in the first place. S/o high up in the Gov. is playing race baiting games. Remember how s/o fed the media that Zimmerman had no injuries and was lying? The fact that an innocent man has to defend himself on these charges in the first place is a blemish on our Justice system.July 2, 2013 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #964403
A medical examiner testified that Zimmerman’s injuries were “very insignificant”.July 3, 2013 12:00 am at 12:00 am #964404rebdonielMember
Racist vigilante groups are a danger in our midst. Too many civilians like playing cops, whether it’s Zimmerman or the Shomrim. My guess would be that frum people who defend Zimmerman are the same types who defended Werdesheim. One case, granted, involved assault, and the other murder, but the same, underlying attitude of racism and white privilege is at play in both cases. It saddens me, since warm ties between the Jewish and African American communities is something I always valued. A tear is always brought to my eye when I look at the image of Dr. King, z”l, marching with R’ Abraham Joshua Heschel, zt”l, and R’ Maurice Eisendrath carrying a sefer torah, arm in arm. R’ Saul Berman was also marching that day; how far have we deviated. The words of Amos haNavi have been forgotten by our community; HaShem cries with all the oppressed peoples of the world: ?????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??????????, ?????-??????: ?????? ???-??????????, ?????????? ??????? ?????????, ????????????????? ????????????, ??????? ???????.
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jewishfeminist02 -“A medical examiner testified that Zimmerman’s injuries were “very insignificant”.”
Unfortunately for you and all the libs who want so badly to be PC, no matter how you trump others’ rights, this is in the news today. It’s all over the news that this ME is probably lying considering that she never examined George or Martin!July 3, 2013 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #964406
rd -“Racist vigilante groups are a danger in our midst. Too many civilians like playing cops, whether it’s Zimmerman or the Shomrim. My guess would be that frum people who defend Zimmerman are the same types who defended Werdesheim. One case, granted, involved assault, and the other murder, but the same, underlying attitude of racism and white privilege is at play in both cases. It saddens me, since warm ties between the Jewish and African American communities is something I always valued”
I’m not going to argue about vigilantism -some of these members are and some Not. I’m all for having good relations with Goyim, but not at the expense of civil rights. Yes, that’s right – Jews and white Goyim are entitled to Civil Rights!
What should sadden you is that in order to be PC -you follow the liberal train of thought. If you read up on the case of Werdesheim -it was clearly self-defense in spite of his guilty verdict. And it’s funny how you call Martin’s death “murder” even before found guilty in a court of law. Murder is a legal definition, not like the use of killed. Don’t you believe in innocent until proven guilty? Or is this only for groups that you like/favor?July 3, 2013 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #964407
1) I’m not a “lib”.
2) I’m not trying to be “PC”.
3) I saw this on the news yesterday, which is why I posted it. It is true that this woman did not physically examine Zimmerman, but she offered her professional opinion based on photos of his injuries. It’s just like if you were to show a carpenter some photos of a bookcase. Do you think he would be unable to tell you what type of wood the bookcase was made out of, or what quality it was? And would you accuse him of “lying” about it since he hadn’t seen the bookcase in person?July 3, 2013 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #964408BigGolemParticipant
What? Can’t do that, it chukas hagoyim.July 3, 2013 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #964409Sam2Participant
Why do people think that Zimmerman is racist? Because of NBC’s doctored 911 call?July 3, 2013 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #964410
jewishfeminist02 -“1) I’m not a “lib”. 2) I’m not trying to be “PC”.”
I don’t know what you are in person, but your posts sure are.
“but she offered her professional opinion based on photos of his injuries. It’s just like if you were to show a carpenter some photos of a bookcase.”
On which photo did she give her “expert” opinion on? The fact that you compare this to damaged bookcases is ridiculous. The bookcase doesn’t change from minute to minute, while injuries do.
This is an attempt, without any real expertise testimony, to paint Zim as a liar. Perhaps you can fool people like you, but I and most medical professionals would never give an expert opinion without actually seeing the pt.July 3, 2013 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #964411
She looked at photos taken immediately after the incident.
Politically, I am a moderate. I base my opinions on real facts and common sense, not fear of societal judgment.July 3, 2013 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #964413
Politically, I am a moderate. I base my opinions on real facts and common sense, not fear of societal judgment.
I assume those are separate things. Because that is not the definition of a moderate.
Are you a moderate? Tell us some of your moderate opinions.July 3, 2013 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #964414
Yes, those are separate things. I was responding to Health’s accusation of me being a) a “lib” and b) PC.
I oppose gay marriage. I support raising the minimum wage. I support private school vouchers. I oppose late-term abortion with an exception for saving the life of the mother, and I oppose early-term abortion with additional exceptions for rape and incest. I support state funding ONLY for political advertising. I vote based on the person, not the party. I voted for Obama in 2008 (primary and general election) and Romney in 2012. My candidate “picks” for 2016 are Martin O’Malley (D) and Marco Rubio (R). If they were to run against each other, I would find it difficult to decide which way to vote.July 3, 2013 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #964415
Thats just a hodgepodge, no reason to describe that as moderate just because you pick from both sides of the fence.
A minimum wage increase across the board just leads to general inflation through trickle up. Marriage in this case can be argued to be just about the rights of marriage, aka a civil union on steroids, which seems unfair to oppose from a non religious perspective. Private school vouchers seem like a way to defund public schools and divert tax money to religious entities.
It would be fun to debate any of these, but I hardly think this qualifies you as moderate. More like ideological confusion. Or, to put all the views you listed into one bucket, I would say working poor religious sap.July 4, 2013 12:35 am at 12:35 am #964416
jewishfeminist02 -“She looked at photos taken immediately after the incident.”
So you’re contending that looking at the photos alone is just like being there? If a medical professional would be examining the pt. at that time -there is no way to tell whether the pt. had significant injuries or not. The only way to tell that this pt. doesn’t have bleeding in the brain is with a Cat scan. The only way this ME knows there was no significant injuries is due to the fact Zim is standing here alive and healthy. So her medical opinion is based on that fact -so she can state that the injuries are not significant. So since No medical professional seeing the pt. at that time would claim the injuries aren’t significant, in essence claiming that now by seeing some pictures is a lie because it’s not based on medical opinion at the time of injury, just the fact of his health now!
Hopefully the Jury won’t be fooled like you were. Her testimony is not worth a plumb nickle.
And btw, she admitted this -from the News:
The Gov. and their prosecuters have made a mockery of Justice from the beginning and are continuing to make a mockery during the trial. This is outrageous.July 4, 2013 12:37 am at 12:37 am #964417
Great, thanks for the support. Really appreciate it. So what is your definition of moderate?July 4, 2013 2:14 am at 2:14 am #964418
For one thing, someone whose views fall within the realm of compromise individually. Not the “average” of all his/her views. Sometimes to the far right and sometimes to the far left doth not each other cancel out.July 4, 2013 2:33 am at 2:33 am #964419
I personally really decide my views on a case-by-case basis. I took one of those quizzes by the election to figure out which presidential candidate I would vote for if I were actually going to vote and they told me I’m a libertarian. I’m not so sure, but yeah, whatever.
Puerile declaration of the day: After watching about an hour of that trial this morning, I have determined that watching a courtroom trial is only negligibly less boring and painful than sitting in an isolation chamber waiting for the dentist to pull all of your remaining teeth.July 4, 2013 11:06 am at 11:06 am #964420zeeshanaayan07Member
Thanks for sharing a great support. I appreciate your thinkingJuly 4, 2013 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #964421heretohelpMember
“Why do people think that Zimmerman is racist? Because of NBC’s doctored 911 call?”
Because he stalked and hunted down and stalked and killed an unarmed black teenager is what cinches it for me- combined with statements he made before (undoctored) to the non-emergency number operator and then later to Sean Hannity.July 4, 2013 1:46 pm at 1:46 pm #964422
Because he stalked and hunted down and stalked and killed an unarmed black teenager is what cinches it for me- combined with statements he made before (undoctored) to the non-emergency number operator and then later to Sean Hannity.
That could make him a racist. (Or just a plain psycho murderer)
What is the word for people who decide to label people murderers based on no almost no evidence? I just need to know what we should call you.July 4, 2013 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #964423🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
I have determined that watching a courtroom trial is only negligibly less boring and painful than sitting in an isolation chamber waiting for the dentist to pull all of your remaining teeth.
While that may be torturous, that wouldn’t be my definition of boring. Boring is more like having to sit in class for the full duration of a test when you finished the test in the first fifteen minutes.July 4, 2013 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #964424
While that may be torturous, that wouldn’t be my definition of boring. Boring is more like having to sit in class for the full duration of a test when you finished the test in the first fifteen minutes.
Why not just upload it and then go online?July 4, 2013 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #964425🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
pba- it’s been a few years since I was in school. I just gave an example of the last time I remember being that bored…July 4, 2013 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #964426
Gamanit: VERY true. If I could take all that time I wasted waiting for time to be called on the English sections of the SAT and apply the time to the math sections, I would seriously get a 2400 or something.
Though the isolation chamber was meant to be boring. The anticipation of the tooth-pulling was meant to be painful.
A few more examples could be waiting during the SAT break when you don’t know anybody (or worse, when there are only two people and you’re the only girl and the other guy is the one who was popping gum and burping the ABCs while the proctor was waiting to start- TRUE STORY), driving for five hours in the car with only the license plate game to entertain you, and taking a class that teaches material that you already learned in a different class.
All I do know from watching what I watched of the trial is that I hope never to be a juror in a case like this. (What little stuff has a jury? Not traffic court, right?)July 4, 2013 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #964427
What is the license plate game?July 4, 2013 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #964428
There are a bunch of different versions. My siblings and I usually do these:
-Look at the three (or however many, depending on the state) letters. Try to either come up with a word that contains all three (sometimes it’s impossible, in which case you go on to the next one) or you make up a sentence that makes a reasonable amount of sense using the letters as an acronym. For example, PHG1234 could be Play Hazardous Golf. And that’s one of the more sensical (if that’s a word) ones.
-Keep a log of how many different states you find. Don’t tell anyone what you find and write down the state and where you find it (to protect against cheating, though we do have an honor system). By the end of the trip, whoever has the largest variety of states wins.
Definitely not bad games, but when you’re in the car for five hours it can get a bit stale.July 5, 2013 12:49 am at 12:49 am #964429adamsParticipant
I don’t know that there is actual evidence that he was being beaten down, that he was able to warn the perpetrator with gun, or his only option was to shoot to kill, or he could have shot at the leg.
Anything is possible. I feel sad that there doesn’t seem to be such evidence, and the decision will be made based on interpretations from a girlfriend and so on.
I would want justice to be correct but from the little i have heard,
I am not seeing it.
At issue I guess is the level of negligence on his part.
Like, why was he involved in this endeavour in the first place in general and particularly, the following of this lad, when, if he had suspicions of him, he should have called the police and gone home to sleep. This is what I would have done.
I am in fact in the retail job and often there are incidents with customers, at times the police are called when you are dealing with unruly or drunk people as has happened in my times behind the counter several times.
But this probably scares alot of people who beleive strongly in gun rights and having and using it also something aside from being in the IDF i dont have exp. with in civilains times.
But people who live in bad areas, I feel that they should have a gun for protection, just that I have never felt the need.July 5, 2013 2:53 am at 2:53 am #964430heretohelpMember
PBA wrote: “That could make him a racist. (Or just a plain psycho murderer)
What is the word for people who decide to label people murderers based on no almost no evidence? I just need to know what we should call you.”
Some things you can call me are Not Naive, Clued In, or Living in Reality.
As for no evidence, I’m not sure what you mean by that. I’ve watched most of the trial and have seen plenty of evidence. Of course, characterizing and evaluating that evidence is a job for the jury, and I’m not on the jury, so what I think doesn’t matter. But this isn’t the jury room, this is the internet, where everyone’s got an opinion.July 5, 2013 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #964432
adams -“I don’t know that there is actual evidence that he was being beaten down,”
Yes, there is evidence – namely his (Zim’s) injuries. And although anything is possible -99.9% those injuries are Not self-inflicted.
The case against him is basically hearsay. Because even if Martin did scream whatever they claim he did or whatever they claim he told the girl on the phone doesn’t mean this was actually happening -for all you know Martin was playing it up to anybody listening. So IMHO the only direct evidence is from Zim, but the trial isn’t over yet.July 8, 2013 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #964433
I will be stunned if he is not acquitted every witness from both cases seems to favor Zimmerman cant wait to see closing arguments.July 8, 2013 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #964434
The closing will be more jokes or cursing. This isn’t a trial, but a 3 ring circus.
And even if Zim is aquitted, which of course he should be, he isn’t out of the woods yet. I remember s/o from very high up saying the deceased would be just like his son, if he had one.
That person will appoint his AG to prosecute Zim on Civil Rights charges.
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