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  • #1986250
    ujm
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    Yes, us! We, Yidden, are G-d’s chosen nation. His favorites, His best of the best, the cream of the crop! We are better, more loved and no one else comes even remotely close.

    All of that is explicit, clear and undisputable. We shouldn’t need reminders of all this, but reminders never hurt.

    #1986652
    akuperma
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    WE are the ones who choose to be frum! We get lots of tzuras from cousins who choose otherwise.

    #1986664
    ☕️coffee addict
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    What’s the chiddush?

    #1986764
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Chasam Sofer asks, if the goyim had a choice to accept the Torah, how are we the choisen people? The Ksav Sofer in Parashas Yisro brings from his father a mashel to a father who had a goldmine. He wants to give it to his youngest child, but he cannot just give it to him in order not to cause jealousy, so he teaches him the act of goldmining. He divides it equally but because the others do not know what to do with it, it automatically fell to the youngest child. We were given the Torah Shebaal Peh, Oral Law. so we were able to accept the Torah Shebeksav, Written Law.

    #1986789
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Should be above chosen. The Torah Shebeksav is the goldmine and the Torah Shebaal Peh is the act of goldmining.

    #1986807
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Reb eliezer,

    But goyim weren’t given תורה שבכתב either

    #1986813
    AviraDeArah
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    Before we get uneducated or miseducated posters claim otherwise, it’s nice to see a post that’s not controversial, political or agenda-driven. Asher bachar banu mikol ho’amin. Am segulah. Bn’i bechori yisroel. Yisroel asher b”cha espa’ar. The entire shir hashirim.

    The drive for imagined equality makes some Jews uncomfortable with the idea, but like anything else, when you learn something deeply, beneath the surface, you uncover the truth.

    Ask yourself, Jews who are enamored with civil rights and who can list more senator names than dafim in gemara – besides the visceral knee jerk response to the idea of exclusivity and superiority, what is it that makes such ideas evil? Is it not the resultant tyranny and oppression that goyim have shown, chiefly to us ourselves, in its wake?

    Have Jews, even when given the chance, ever been tyrannical and oppressive? The only ones among us that have oppressed anyone have been the Zionists. They have tried and are pushing with all of their might to oppress Torah. Palestinians are murderous, but one must wonder what their temperament would be if the government had listened to the gedolei yisroel and given back most of the post-67″ land..there definitely were instances where the zionists were brutal to the palestinians; one need not be from the fanatical branches of neturei karta or Peace Now to say this.

    This is coming from the “enlightened” Jews who support the civil rights of members of the to’eva community, yet seek to oppress whoever they don’t like.

    The peace loving, true Jewish “supremacists” have never and will never oppress anyone.

    #1986837
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    coffee addict, Hashem did not want to give the Torah Shebaal Peh to the goyim, so they could not accept the Torah Shebeksav. Offering it to them was a formality as to the chidren receiving the goldmine. But anyway, they questioned its content ahead of time, which the Jews never did, so Hashem told them exactly what they not like. According to this, tbe Jews were realy chosen for their trust in Hashem, like a son in his father that he will not give him something bad.

    #1986871
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The Dubner Magid has a mashel on this on the Haggada where the rasha asks mo haavoda hazos lochem, what is the pupose of your actions? So we weaken his teeth and we don”t explain but tell him not to do it. A man was poor having only enough money for yom tov. He sees a beatiful suit, forgetting that he has no money for it. When buying, he takes it home. As his wife sees it, she tells him to take it back. He tells the salesman to return his money as there is a fault in it. He gives him his money back. Why did you not exchange it, ask the people around the salesman. He answers them that the man is poor and he wants to reneg on the sale and this is just an excuse. Similarly, this is an excuse for the rasha and the goyim having charata on tne whole sale.

    #1986919
    Avi K
    Participant

    Do Sepharadim and Eidot haMizrach count as “Yidden”. Enough with the creole German. Say it. Am Yisrael.

    #1986987
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Avi,

    What does it matter how it’s said, look at the message and don’t divide us into sfardi ashkenazi chassidish….

    Remember it’s the three weeks

    #1986932
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Avi, of what consequence is it that there are communities that do not speak yiddish? Are you implying that sefardim are for some reason, an authority on authenticity?

    Yiddish is a rich spoken language with Torah sewn into its fabric. Modern hebrew is the polar opposite; it is lashon kodesh with kefira and foreign garbage sewn into its essence. Its originators were bent on destroying Torah forever and replacing it, rachmana litzlan, with a secular jewish identity.

    Speaking a “creole”, as you call it, is based on rishonim and achronim who write that lashon kodesh is too holy to be used as a spoken language. There is a reason why Jews in Bavel spoke a Judaicized Aramaic, sefardim made ladino, Jews living in arab countries spoke a Jewish Arabic, ashkenazim made yiddish, down to our own time, when a newcomer would recognize hardly an intelligible sentence spoken by a yeshiva bochur.

    Modern Hebrew was an evil that was left alone, under the chazon ish who famously said that it is a battle that we already have lost.

    There is a reason baalei teshuva are drawn to the warmth and passion of yiddish speaking jewry. A shiur is just not the same in English, or hebrew for that matter, but hebrew shiurim are generally more of a “yeshivish” Hebrew. An argument can be made to corrupt ivrit and make a yiddish out of it; as I’ve seen in certain places, that is already the norm.

    #1987053
    Avi K
    Participant

    CA, I was being sarcastic.

    Avira,
    1. And Yiddish doesn’t have kefira? The biggest kofrim were the Yiddishist Bundists. It also has improper words.
    2. Rav Moshe (Iggerot Moshe Even Haezer 3:35 based on the Sifri (Devarim Piska 46) which is quoted by Rashi on the verse of ledabber bam (Devarim 11:19) says that it is a mitzva to speak in Lashon HaKodesh. In fact, this is one of the merits our ancestors had in Egypt.
    3. Who says that baalei teshuvah are drawn to the “warmth” of Yiddish in a shiur? Perhaps they just find it cute and quaint. Like an old family heirloom that one keeps in the closet and dusts off once in a while. Not to mention the fact that it is very annoying and difficult to try to follow a shiur when one does not understand the language. This is why both Rav Soloveichik and Rav Yaakov Kaminetsky changed the language of instruction to English. BTW, in English “Yid” is a pejorative.

    #1987079
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The Hungarians say that ledabber bam means beszelni magyarul, to speak hungarian.

    #1987106
    Chaim Shulem
    Participant

    So true. This works really well as an excuse in the workplace, when your boss asks you to make some copies or something. I always respond “I’m Jewish, so I’m better than you, so YOU should be making copies for ME.” It always works, and your coworkers will respect you even more.

    #1987133
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Avi, I was referring to the progenitors of the two languages. Yiddish was born from Torah life and has many, many expressions that are based on Torah and chazal. The fact that people came later and abrogated it, and poisoned it with foul things does not affect the yiddish that we have today and that is spoken by frum “yidden”.

    Hebrew, by contrast, was designed for the specific purpose of “reviving” judaism to be zionism, a culture with a land, language, etc…it was created from infancy with a disdain of Torah.

    As per your quotes from Rav Moshe – Rav moshe himself, did not speak lashon kodesh. Neither did virtually any of the rishonim, achronim, or amoraim!! He calls it a “ma’aleh”, and he says that chasidei elyon did not take upon themselves this maaleh. To think that we are above them is hubris and the height of arrogance.

    Also, it’s a moot point because… Again, eretz yisroel does NOT equal the state of Israel, and modern hebrew does NOT equal lashon kodesh. Tell me, when the “people of ill repute” talk to customers in Hebrew, is that better or worse than if they were speaking in Arabic? What about gangsters and robbers? Also, the rambams definition of what makes Hebrew holy does NOT apply to modern Hebrew in the slightest, even if it were purely based on lashon kodesh, which it isn’t.

    #1987142
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “CA, I was being sarcastic.“

    That’s easy to tell in your writing (I’m being sarcastic if you didn’t know)

    Also Reb yid,

    We were forced to accept תורה שבעל פה

    #1987157
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    coffes addict, we were forced to accept the Torah Shebaal Peh according to the Midrash Tanchuma in Parashas Noach as Torah Shebeksav without Torah Shebaal Peh is not possible.

    #1987158
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Torah Sbaal Peh was given to us because of the willingness to accept Torah Shebeksav. The forcing is like the Rambam by a divorce, kofin asa ad sbeomer rotzei anui as explained by Tosfas.

    #1987181
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    By a goy forcing is not an option. See Tosfas Kidushin 39,1 beginning with machshava on the bottom of the page.

    #1987183

    > Hebrew, by contrast, was designed for the specific purpose of “reviving” judaism to be zionism

    R Yaakov Kamenetsky when visiting R Ouerbach’s yeshiva remarked tahat Mo/ashiach will come from that yeshiva – because they switched top shiurim from Yiddish to Hebrew, thus, enabling Sephardim to also attend.

    #1987270
    Avi K
    Participant

    Avira,
    1. How do you define Lashon haKodesh? As for Rambam’s definition, in fact, improper words some Israelis use are Arabic and English.
    2. If many people speak it is is not hubris.
    3. What about all the Yiddish-speaking gangsters? They even translated “Cosa nostra” into “Unzer zach”. For that matter, as I posted, Yiddish was the banner of the fiercely anti-religious Bundists. After the Bolsheviks took over Hebrew was banned and “counter-revolutionary” but Yiddish schools, newspapers, and theaters were set up for Jews.
    4. The State of Israel is the polity of Eretz Yisrael. When David fled to Gatt he said that he was expelled from Hashem’s inheritance (Shmuel Alef 26:19).

    RE, If they are acting on behalf of the bet din the gett is kosher Rambam, Hilchot Gerushin 2:20, SA EH 134:20).

    #1987346
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Avi K. I am talking about goyim being forced not goyim forcing a Jew.

    #1987384
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Avi K,

    “Do Sepharadim and Eidot haMizrach count as “Yidden”.”

    Yidden is just Yiddish for Jews, so why wouldn’t they count?

    “Enough with the creole German. Say it. Am Yisrael.”

    Would you have said, “enough with the English!” had he written Jews? Or would you have called Ladino creole Spanish? No. We’ve had this discussion before. You feel oppressed by Ashkenazim and Yiddish, and have been wronged. But two wrongs do not make a right. Yiddish is a big part of the culture of many of your fellow Jews, and the push in Israel to squash that culture in favor of Ivrit and falafel has a strong association with efforts to secularize Jews as well. So is it surprising that there may be some resistance among frum Ashkenazim?

    #1987423
    Avi K
    Participant

    RE, why would goyim be forced to give gittin?

    Avram,
    Actually, I am half-Ashkenazi and half Sephardi so I do not feel oppressed by either group. However, I do resent maggidei shiurim using Yiddish terms when they know full well that not everyone in the shiur understands. I also think that it is a ghetto mentality to hang on to Yiddish. It’s especially silly and pretentious to use, for example, “fregt” instead of “asks” when giving a shiur that is supposed to be in English. Moreover, Hebrew is our ancestral language and unites us.
    I have never encountered a maggid shiur who uses Ladino. My feeling is that Ladino-speakers who went to the Americas transitioned to modern Spanish. In fact, my grandmother never used the word “Ladino”. She always said that she spoke Spanish.

    #1987430
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Avi K, forcing on their sheva mitzvos will not work as Tosfas above explains that by a goy a good thought is not considered a mitzva. The Meharshah explains that by a goy thinking good will not necessarily lead to action but bad does whereas by a Jew the reverse is true.

    #1987462
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    I was explaining that we were chosen even when forced as the Jew’s atzmiyus js good as explained by the Maharal.

    #1987489
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Neither AAQ or Avi have answered my assertions that Hebrew was created with the intent specifically to undermine Torah, or how there is tumah inherently in the language.

    The point about Yiddish reshoim, whih includes more than your list (think shalom aleichem and his vile ilk) but it is irrelevant to my point about the roots and structure of the yiddish spoken by frum jews. That is pure and torah-dig, to use a yiddish expression.

    I’m not even going to address the purely secular objections to the “ghetto” diatribe. We all know where that will go. I’m a callow “mah yofis” jew and you are a tough “new hebrew” complete with an Uzi, so we’ll leave it at that.

    That being said, once the directive from the majority of the gedolei hador was given not to oppose Hebrew (the chazon ish actually said, to AAQ’s point, that a major reason not to oppose hebrew was that if we did, the masses of mostly uneducated and disenfranchised sefardi immigrants would be lost from Torah and swept up in Zionism)

    Hebrew is hardly a “uniting” language when its inception caused a massive schism between those who spoke it, and integrated into its ensuing culture, and those who initially opposed it vociferously.

    Lashon kodesh is described in the seforim as the language of the Torah. The ramban explains that many goyim spoke semitic languages; hebrew words are found in Tyre, Moav(its name!) And many surrounding countries. Canaanim undoubtedly spoke it, as it was called “ivri” because it was spoken on the “other” side of the Jordan. The ivri spoken by those canaanim was probably closer to the lashon hatorah than today’s modern hebrew.

    The state is only a political “wing” of eretz yisroel to those who accept its legitimacy. I am a Jew and have lived in eretz yisroel. The state has not and will not represent me politically. I am not represented by the murder of unborn babies, autopsies, politicians who proclaim “charedim to the ovens”, warmongering leaders who are out for blood, massive institutional chillul shabbos, an army that is a makom znus, toe’va rights celebrations, the brainwashing of tenss and thousands of ignorami to be secular, the kidnapping of immigrant babies, complicity with nazis in saving the secular (“a cow in Palestine js worth more than all the Jews in europe”), anti semitic canards of big nosed charedim leeching the system…

    To name a few. Israel is not jewish, despite whatever bones they throw the naive religious zionists to make them think that they’re lro-judaism. A few laws here and there loosely based on halacha while referring to turkish common law as its true bread and butter, misappropriating money from jews one to another as gezel….i can go on and on, but I’ll refer you to “the empty wagon” by rabbi yaakov shapiro for further evidence of the evils of zionism, its campaign to conflate itselt with judaism, and the consequences of the acceptance of that agency that has befallen us as a people.

    #1987537
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Avi K,

    “However, I do resent maggidei shiurim using Yiddish terms when they know full well that not everyone in the shiur understands.”

    So bring it up with the maggid shiur. The maggid shiur is not being malicious or pretentious, he is just giving over the shiur in a manner that he is comfortable with. It’s not just Yiddish speakers who do that. I’ve attended shiurim given by Israelis who throw in a lot of Ivrit and lose some of their audience because they forget to translate. I am a BT, and when I first started going to shiurim there were some that I could barely understand because of the “Yeshivish” English. Within a year, however, I was able to understand them. Picking up a different language is not harmful.

    “I also think that it is a ghetto mentality to hang on to Yiddish.”

    It doesn’t really matter what you think; it matter what the Yiddish speakers think, Why don’t you ask them if they have a ghetto mentality?

    “Moreover, Hebrew is our ancestral language and unites us.”

    I think you mean modern Hebrew (Ivrit), and with the CR as exhibit A, that is not so. What unites us is the Torah and serving Hashem as Jews.

    #1987550
    ujm
    Participant

    Jewish ghetto mentality is far far superior to an American mentality.

    #1987717
    Avi K
    Participant

    Avram, we are talking about language. Yiddish, along with Germanic names, was used to declare Sepharadim not really Jewish. A few generations ago a relative on my Sephardic side married an Ashkenazi. Her parents sat shiva because being that he did not speak a word of Yiddish and an Italian-sounding name (really it is Arabic from the Moorish period, although there are Italian Jews) they did not believe that he was Jewish. Were they serving Hashem? What constitutes serving Hashem is very complex. If a person does not do the job for which he was put in the world, in that sense he is also not serving Hashem and may just have to come back and try again.

    #1987719
    Avi K
    Participant

    Avira, whether you like it or not the state represents you. If c’v you will be assaulted it will be as a Zionist. True, there have been bad leaders (although they too have been complex), but they are not the state, Louis XIV notwithstanding.

    The statement that Modern Hebrew was created to undermine Torah does not deserve an answer. In fact, for all his faults Ben-Yehuda went to Rav Kook (who, after he made aliya, did not like being addressed in Yiddish, which he called Jargon) with questions about words found in the Talmud.

    #1987797
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Avi K,

    “Avram, we are talking about language. Yiddish, along with Germanic names, was used to declare Sepharadim not really Jewish.”

    So I addressed this point in my first response to you, and you said your issue was about maggidei shiur using Yiddish when their students didn’t understand. So I responded to that, and now you move the goalposts back to my first assumption. So I will again say that two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Regarding your family, my Litvak grandmother married my German grandfather, and that apparently was a pretty big to-do, and they were both Yiddish speaking Ashkenazim. Just because one Jew or even one family behaved badly doesn’t mean all Yiddish speakers are collectively responsible and must therefore stop speaking Yiddish and eating kneidlach accept the superiority of falafel and hummus and replacing all savs with tavs.

    #1987808
    Avi K
    Participant

    Avram, why speak a useless, moribund language? One might as well learn German (BTW, your German grandfather would probably disown you if he heard you say he spoke Yiddish – Agnon wrote a cute story about that), which is an important world language. As for kneidlach, I only eat them on Pesach.

    #1987841
    Participant
    Participant

    @avik I don’t believe that story (that her parents sat shiva) for a second.

    #1987823
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    The fact that yiddish was weaponized to negate the Judaism of non yiddish speakers is completely irrelevant, since once again, the language was built on torah, for the sake of torah jewry. You keep attacking the way it was used by bad people to do bad things. Yiddishists used yiddish the same way Zionists use hebrew – they wanted to make a Jewish language devoid of Torah.

    Ben Yehudah wrote openly, along with all the “safrut” writers that their goal was to recreate a Jewish culture apart from religion. Zionism sought to create a new jew based on social constructs and the same nationalism that gave rise to Nazism.

    “Doesn’t deserve an answer” – read “the empty wagon” for wagon loads of quotes from the progenitors of modern Hebrew. Their goal was to undermine torah.

    Rabbi kook calling Yiddish a jargon (which is not really pejorative) ranks pretty low on the list of aberrations and issues that he had. The fact that he associated with murderers like ben gurion or other reshoim like ben yehuda was one of the bigger problems, precisely for the reason that it gives authenticity to such enemies of hashem.

    #1987831
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Also, the fact that i can be targeted despite having no affiliation with the state or Zionism is precisely the problem – they have succeeded in making the massive chilul hashem that suggests that a bunch of ochlei nevala and mechalelei shabbos are our representatives.

    “They were complicated” – no, they were rotzchim poshim and apikorsim. They railed against Torah jewry while fooling the naive religious zionists into thinking that they were allies at times.

    There is no room in klal yisroel for mechalelei shabbos. They have the halacha of a non jew, whether or not they are tonokos shenishbu. Most of the early leaders definitely were not tinokos shenishbu. Halacha defined who has the status of a Jew, and one who is not oseh maaseh amcha is NOT part of us. Judaism is a religion, not a race or nation, as rav saadia gaon writes, the Jewish nation is only such because of its Torah! Our leaders must be at the very least part of the nation and without Torah they are not.

    #1987845
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Yiddish is far from useless. It is the language that torah was passed down with for a thousand years. It is similar to how the gemara says not to take Aramaic lightly, even though it is a non Jewish language.

    When I learn, there are gemara ideas that i can’t explain in English or lashon kodesh; try saying “rashi firs ois” in Hebrew or English, or “bavorn” – there are terms that are part of the fabric of learning that are exclusive to yiddish. I’m sure ladino and other judaic languages had the same.

    Your personal feelings are completely clouding your judgement. What would you tell someone who hates Hebrew because their parents verbally abused them in Hebrew? You’d say to suck it up and see the supposed objective truth…..

    I’m genuinely offended at the suggestion that a torah language that my ancestors used is useless.

    #1987899

    Avira, you are wonderfully sensitive to your heritage, you should e as sensitive to people coming from different perspective – Hebrew, English, Hungarian … As Herman Wouk’s grandfather said, departing for Israel after years of trying to find Yiddish-speaking students in US: I probably should have learned English, but at first impression it sounded too crude …

    Also, note that some of the fights of previous generations do not have to be fought a century later: Hebrew of anti-religious Zionists does not affect current Israeli Hebrew-speakers; going to University 200 years ago was a haskalah statement, and is a getting a job statement now.

    #1987986
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    AAQ – I spoke Hebrew when I lived in eretz yisroel. The majority of charedim also do. I never said not to; what I said was that there is
    nothing good about hebrew and that a statement that we should drop Yiddish in favor of a language made by and for heretics for the purpose of eradicating Torah r”l is a horrible corruption. I was also responding to the assertion that somehow modern Hebrew is lashon kodesh. I also was explaining the advantages of speaking yiddish and its pure character.

    #1988037
    5TResident
    Participant

    We are the Chosen People – but what were we chosen for? This is widely misunderstood. We were not chosen to have the favor of Hashem no matter what – that much is clear. Jews have suffered more hatred and death than any nation on Earth. Rather, we were chosen to carry the עול of the Torah – to be the light unto the nations. And when we fail, we are punished.

    #1988117
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    57, the Maasei Hashem says that is tbe meaning of Avraham Avinu being shown the stars to be a beacon to all the nations like the stars throgh the Torsh;

    #1988141
    Avi K
    Participant

    Avira, you are becoming sillier and sillier. First, you make a completely unsubstantiated statement that Modern Hebrew was “created” to destroy Torah. In fact, it makes learning Tanach, Mishna, and most of the Gemara much easier as there is minimal difference between Biblical Hebrew and Modern Hebrew. Now you talk about people who were abused in Hebrew. Nu, what about people who were abused in Yiddish?

    Yiddish, BTW, has no pure character. It is mainly High German mixed in with Hebrew and local languages (thus, Hungarian Yiddish is not the same as Polish or Russian Yiddish). Those who are trying to revive it (and Ladino), are mainly non-Jews who have an academic interest in it (similarly, my college, CCNY, offered two semesters in Anglo-Saxon). The rest are secular Jews who are looking for some cultural identification with their pasts. I actually like songs like Mein Shtetele Belz and Cuando El Rey Nimrod, but I never felt a need to understand the words to enjoy a song. Sometimes, it’s better that way as a song might have a nice melody and nice-sounding words but an immodest theme. I just think that it is silly to describe ourselves with a word used by our enemies as a pejorative. I also very much resent a maggid shiur who insists on using it even though he knows that I don’t understand. He is basically pushing me out. I did, in fact, have one maggid shiur who asked me if I understand Yiddish. When I said that I do not he replied that Rambam did not speak Yiddish.

    #1988142
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Should be above 5T like the stars through the Torah.

    #1988156
    5TResident
    Participant

    Reb Eliezer: I had a rebbe once in the 8th Grade who gave a very lucid explanation about Jews being like the “stars in heaven” and the “sand of the Earth”. When the Jewish people are fulfilling their mission of being the light unto the nations and glorifying the name of Hashem, we are like the stars of the heavens – bright, beautiful, graceful in our movements and most importantly, close to Hashem and out of the reach of enemies. But when we commit aveiros and make Chilulei Hashem, then we become like the sands of the Earth – worthless, drab, plain, drifting endlessly and aimlessly with the wind and, most importantly, at the lowest point on Earth and susceptible to being walked on by even the lowest animals and insects. We can be scooped up, pushed around, thrown from place to place without anyone caring.

    I heard this explanation 43 years ago, and I have never forgotten it. Unfortunately, the Rebbe who stated it passed away young, at age 65, about 30 years ago.

    #1988157
    5TResident
    Participant

    Avi K: When I was in high school in Mirrer Yeshiva, I was taught that Loshen Kodesh was the true language of Torah and Ivrit was the language of non-frum Jews and shouldn’t be spoken.

    #1988175
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    5T, the above Maasei Hashem explains like the stars shine, so will his children call out and publicize to the whole world, yisparsem elokuso, Hashem’s G-dliness.

    #1988176
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Yosef said that pi hamedaber aleichem, belashan hakadash indicates my sanctity which I have not lost.
    Yaakav Avinu said Galed and Lavan said Yegar Sahadusa in Aramaic.

    #1988180
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    5T look at the Klei Yakar Bereishis (13,13) on the comparison to kechal hayam.

    #1988191
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The Jews are compared also to the moon that gets larger and than smaller. When the Jews do the will Hashem, they are like the stars but when not, they are like dust. Sometimes they are in between like kahochal hayom.

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