March 9, 2015 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #615122
Is there any halachic difference between wearing an Apple Watch (newly introduced today) on Shabbos versus wearing any standard battery operated watch?
(Obviously whether wearing an Apple Watch or another battery powered watch on Shabbos, it would only be used to look at – not change or program.)March 9, 2015 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #1063526Sam KleinParticipant
unless the switch is somehow covered over (just like a stove fire switch) your destines to accidently touch it & wakeup to suddenly look something up etc…
obviously if its a touch screen then perhaps if there’s a way to lock the screen & just see the time without unlocking the screen until after Shabbos then it might be permissible
for final halachah approach your local RabbiMarch 9, 2015 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #1063527akupermaParticipant
If the watch doubles as a computer, telephone, flash light, etc., why wouldn’t it be considered mukzeh? Has anyone ever poskened that one can walk around with such devices? Can you walk around with a laptop computer? or a flashlight? or a mobile phone? Unless you hold that work done by electrical systems is not prohibited on Shabbos (something often held by non-frum Jews who accept the idea of Shabbos, but not any inconvenient details), this should be an obvious “no”.
A regular watch (no electronic settings, just a battery moving a mechanical gear – or an all mechanical one with a spring moving a mechanical gear) is a totally different machine.March 9, 2015 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #1063528
Many regular battery operated watches that people wear on Shabbos have a digital display showing the time as well as an alarm clock, stopwatch, time programming settings, a light button and some other functions as well.March 9, 2015 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1063529oot for lifeParticipant
as long as we’re talking about watches, why did everyone feel the need to reset their watches yesterday in the middle of shemona esrei waiting for the Sh”Tz to begin. So annoying.
sorry continue your discussion…March 9, 2015 8:39 pm at 8:39 pm #1063530Reb not RabbiMember
If you are wearing it you shouldn’t have to take it off but the battery lasts about 18 hours, you would have to charge it Friday just to wear it on Shabbos…March 9, 2015 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1063531Sam KleinParticipant
but these data bank watches are not screen touch, that can accidently be touched like the new I watch were dealing withMarch 9, 2015 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #1063532the londonerMember
Why on earth would you be able to wear it. First its maaras eiyin and secondly if its not necessary you can’t use itMarch 9, 2015 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #1063533
Why would it be any more maris eiyin that any other digital watch (that may have a stopwatch, alarm, light, etc.)? There will be no use of it other than to look at it for the time.March 9, 2015 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1063534147Participant
In the absence of an Eiruv many authorities don’t permit wearing watches in the street on Shabbos or Yom Kippur. Needless to say, this restriction would not apply to a cufflink watch, as it is functioning as a shirt fastener.March 10, 2015 3:24 am at 3:24 am #1063535
With its accelerometer as a basic input, I don’t see how it can be worn.March 10, 2015 3:34 am at 3:34 am #1063536
And without the accelerometer it would have otherwise been alright? How’s the accelerometer different than having a motion detector in your home?March 10, 2015 3:56 am at 3:56 am #1063537
When you’re home, your motion detector isn’t doing anything for you. At least this is the case with burglar alarms.March 10, 2015 4:59 am at 4:59 am #1063538
What’s the watch’s accelerometer doing for you? If merely keeping a record or log of activity, some motion detectors also keep a log/record of activity it detected. And if one of the watch’s models lacked the accelerometer, it would otherwise be Shabbos-proof?March 10, 2015 7:21 am at 7:21 am #1063539
The accelerometer (or more likely the gyroscope) is used to predict when the user is about to look at the screen allowing it to conserve energy when it’s not being looked at.
I haven’t done enough research into fitness trackers to discuss that aspect.March 11, 2015 5:30 am at 5:30 am #1063540
Nu, if they make a model sans the tracking features (accelerometer, gyroscope, fitness tracker) you’re good to go on Shabbos?March 11, 2015 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #1063541Rebbe YidParticipant
Maybe it’s a kli shemelachto leheter–after all, you use it to look at the time 50x a day, and use it for apps only a few times a day.
And even if it a kli shemelachto le’issur, maybe you’re always wearing it lezorech gufo umekomo, since you always need to know the time.
About the motion detectors–who says you’re allowed to keep them on on shabbos? Perhaps there are heterim to go to places where they happen to be on, but to davka keep them on at home on shabbos?March 12, 2015 2:22 am at 2:22 am #1063542
Even if the watch has accelerometer/gyroscope or fitness tracking, those features can be disabled and set to display the time at all times.
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