March 6, 2016 3:59 am at 3:59 am #617360dovrosenbaumParticipant
I have a question that I hope others take seriously.
In the past on Shabbos, I’ve had a problem where the wind is really strong and blows the hat off my head. The issue is that there’s a possible concern for hotza’ah when picking up a hat that blows off the head.
My rav suggested not wearing a hat in the street on shabbos if the weather is windy. He suggested a baseball hat that’s tight fitting, so as to protect the yarmulke from blowing away.
What does the esteemed chevra think?March 6, 2016 4:04 am at 4:04 am #1140403☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Is there an eiruv where you live?
Why is picking up a hat hotzoah if you don’t carry it four amos?
Do you wear it during davening?March 6, 2016 4:11 am at 4:11 am #1140404JosephParticipant
All my rebbeim taught me that a Yid on the street should always have a hat on his head.March 6, 2016 4:13 am at 4:13 am #1140405Mashiach AgentMember
A baseball cap is definitely not ShabbosdikMarch 6, 2016 4:17 am at 4:17 am #1140406JosephParticipant
As far as a yarmulka is concerned, if you wear a large enough yarmulka it won’t blow off.March 6, 2016 4:53 am at 4:53 am #1140407pioyosParticipant
if you asked a rqv why are you asking us listen to himMarch 6, 2016 4:54 am at 4:54 am #1140408pioyosParticipant
ravMarch 6, 2016 5:02 am at 5:02 am #1140409147Participant
You had a Pesak, so follow the Daas Toraoh of your local Orthodox Rabbi. Nowhere does the Pesak say, that you cannot leave your hat @Shul, so can still wear your hat during services.
As far as picking up your hat, you didn’t make any mention of walking 4 Amos after picking up your hat before placing hat on thy head, so I don’t see any Hotza’ah taking place.March 6, 2016 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm #1140410
Why are you second guessing your Rav.March 6, 2016 12:34 pm at 12:34 pm #1140411
The thread should be titled. I’m running out of ideas to stir the lot and I’m grasping at straws.March 6, 2016 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1140412
If you do NOT wear a kippah underneath the hat, there is no problem at all since even if the hat would be blown off your head on Shabbos, you would not come to carry it four amos since you would not walk with an uncovered head.
If there IS a kippah underneath the hat, then it would be problematic to wear a hat unless it sits tightly on your head and won’t be blown off by a regular wind. The reason is that if the hat flies off, you might come to carry it in your hand (since your head is anyway properly covered with the yarmulke, you might forget that it’s Shabbos and carry the hat, in which case you would have to bring a korban chatas). See Rabbi Ribiat’s sefer 39 Melachos.March 6, 2016 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #1140413
Picking up the hat is not any melacha; however, there is a concern that he might come to carry it four amos upon picking it up if his head is already covered with a kippah.March 6, 2016 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #1140414
If it’s that so that a hat blows off it is just as likely that the kippa underneath would blow off too. Perhaps a kippa with elastic that goes from ear to ear is what one should go out with exclusively.March 6, 2016 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #1140415
If the kippah will fly off, he will return it to his head and not carry it in his hand, since if he did the latter he would c”v be walking with an uncovered head, which certainly no G-d fearing Jew would do.March 6, 2016 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #1140416
Since we are dealing with g-d fearing jews why not also assume they wont forget it is shabbos. You seem to be making arbitrary gezeros.March 6, 2016 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #1140417
Look in Rabbi Ribiat’s sefer. I am quoting from the words of the poskim.
There are many restrictions that Chazal made out of a concern that a person might absentmindedly do a melacha on Shabbos (e.g., muktzah, or not wearing jewelry because one might take it off and carry it).March 6, 2016 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #1140418
The following is being copied from the Chicago Community Kollel (the information was compiled by Rabbi Akiva Niehaus and is available online):March 6, 2016 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #1140419
on his head (i.e., he is not wearing a yarmulka), then we are not concerned about the possibility that he may carry his hat in his hand (M.B. ibid.).
The Magen Avrohom (s.k. 52), quoting the Maasas Binyomin, expands this halacha and writes that one who is always careful to wear a hat outdoors may wear a hat on Shabbos, for even if the hat were to blow off, he would make sure to replace it before walking further. Accordingly, one who is careful in this respect may indeed wear a hat outdoors, even over a yarmulka.
that he may walk outside while holding his hat, similar to jewelry
[Although there are numerous ways to define a reshus harabim, a lenient approach is used regarding this prohibition. Accordingly, most cities do not contain a reshus harabim, and a hat may be worn without concern.]
However, the Mishnah Brurah (301:154) brings the opinion of the Taz that this prohibition applies even in a karmelis. Furthermore, the Biur Halacha (303:18 d.h. ki) writes that ideally one should not rely on this lenient opinion. In a location with an eruv, a hat may be worn without concern.March 6, 2016 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #1140420
In summary, a hat may be worn outdoors if one of the following conditions are met:
1) one wears a hat without a yarmulka underneath, or
2) one is extremely careful to always wear a hat outdoors, or
4) one is in a location with an eruv.
If one lives in a location where a reshus harabim does not exist, as is the case in most modern-day cities (see above), then a hat may be worn according to some Poskim, and this appears to be common custom (Harav D. Zucker).March 6, 2016 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1140421nfgo3Member
This is not really on topic, but I have got to get this off my chest: What’s with men who put garbage bags, or shopping bags, or fitted plastic covers on their hats when it is raining – on Shabbos or any other day. I think it looks absolutely undignified, even ridiculous. A fine-quality felt hat, e.g., Borsalino, will survive the rain. Part of the reason for wearing hat is to stand before Hashem with dignity. A shopping bag on your head, even if it protecting a fine hat, destroys that. If you saw a gentile doing that, you would think he/she is nuts.
Have any rabbaim given an opinion on this?March 6, 2016 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #1140422
Yes restrictions because people may inadvertently do something. My rav respectfully disagrees with the conclusion that one may not wear a hat with yarmulke underneath at least as it relates to his kehilla, because the wearing of a hat is just as common as a yarmulke and if it blows off people are very aware not to pick up and carry it. Just like yarmulke.March 7, 2016 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1140423anon1m0usParticipant
simple…if you are not gonna listen to your rav anyways and listen to us, don’t wear a hat period. Avoid the whole issue.March 7, 2016 12:42 am at 12:42 am #1140424homerMember
Actually nfg0 when I bought my Bors from Bencraft the salesman told me that the hats worst enemy is the rain.
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