November 21, 2014 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #1044567Sam2Participant
Oh good. You already excluded yourself from Klal Yisrael. No need for us to say it.November 21, 2014 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #1044568
There your sworn enemies don’t include me
Well, there are two parties who are sworn enemies. We aren’t categorizing you. You’re free to choose which party you are in. But you’re in one or the other.November 21, 2014 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1044569
There is another party of people who have never heard of the conflict, but it’s too late to join.November 21, 2014 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #1044570
Ok there’s no point in explaining it I see I can’t get my point acrossNovember 22, 2014 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #1044571
Are you an actual NK-nik, or are you just a sympathizer? That is, at the next demonstration, would I see you there holding a sing about how bad I am, and yelling some maniacal something and not making eye contact with any jews?November 23, 2014 12:19 am at 12:19 am #1044572
I wouldn’t mind if someone held a sing about how bad I am. I would find it interesting to see what lyrics people come up with.November 23, 2014 12:21 am at 12:21 am #1044573
No I just take the picturesNovember 23, 2014 2:33 am at 2:33 am #1044574HaLeiViParticipant
On Shabbos!?November 23, 2014 3:18 am at 3:18 am #1044575Little FroggieParticipant
Certain things are doche Shabbos. I suppose you didn’t come across the photo of these ‘characters’ ON SHABBOS doing some kind of ‘pikuach nefesh’ in (I think it was) Iran. Talis, Shtreimal and complete costume… in an anti Israel function…November 23, 2014 3:48 am at 3:48 am #1044576
So apparently the head of the NK was beaten by several moslem men in Amsterdam.
He says it is Israel’s fault.November 23, 2014 4:33 am at 4:33 am #1044577
voos- if you do claim you are part of NK/ support it/ take pictures for it, then can you please explain to me one thing:
Why do you think it is a Torahdig thing to run and hug deiners of the holocaust? Why do you run and hug people who call for the destruction of YOU?
I simply cannot understand this behaviour. If Hitler YEMACH SHEMO was alive today you would be the first one gone. You think sticking up for their little lies and games is getting you anywhere? They hate you just as much as they hate all of us. Why is running to them productive?November 23, 2014 5:53 am at 5:53 am #1044578
1 I personally don’t agree with going to events on Shabbos 2 there agenda is anti Israel (the Arabs) there will always be eisev sonei yakov however Zionism gives them a reason to hate us while nk gives them a reason not toNovember 23, 2014 6:28 am at 6:28 am #1044579Sam2Participant
PBA: I saw it reported on something called edited. I tried to research if it was a satire site but couldn’t find anything about it anywhere. It seems too much like satire (along with other stuff on that site) to actually be real.November 23, 2014 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #1044581Letakein GirlParticipant
So you’re saying that if it’ll lower resentment towards Jewish people, it’s okay to (quoting OURTorah here) hug deniers of the holocaust?
(Btw, I don’t agree that their actions have caused any real change in a positive direction.)November 23, 2014 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1044582ivoryMember
They are not only denying the holocaust , they are actively pushing fir another holocaust chas vesholom. In which they won’t distinguish between NK and other JewsNovember 23, 2014 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1044583☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Sam, it was on other sites as well. you can find it by googling the guy’s name. It’s a story from about a year and a half ago.November 23, 2014 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #1044584
They defended the fact that the holacaust happened btw “Now maybe I can say that at the discussion of the holocaust, I may be the representative, the voice of the people who died in the holocaust because my grandparents died there. They were killed in Auschwitz. My parents were from Hungary. My father escaped and his parents remained. He wasn’t able to get them out of Hungary and they died in Auschwitz as were other relatives and all the communities that they knew. So to say that they didn’t die, to me you cannot say that. I am the living remnant of the people who died in the holocaust and I am here, I believe sent by God, to humbly say, simply to speak to the people here and say, ‘You should know that the Jewish people died, and do not try to say that it did not happen. They did die!’ There are people throughout the Jewish communities, still alive in their seventies and eighties and every one of them will tell you their stories. It is something which you can not refute, but that being said, it doesn’t mean that the holocaust is a tool to use to oppress other people” rabbi WeissNovember 23, 2014 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #1044585ubiquitinParticipant
You don’t mean Rabbi Weiss you mean Yisroel Dovid Weiss. Rabbi Weiss is quite opposed to NK.
Secondly, you are on very bad footing when a list of atendees includes David Duke.November 23, 2014 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #1044586
You know exactly what I meanNovember 24, 2014 3:54 am at 3:54 am #1044587
voos- thank you for that excerpt. I appreciate your time to show me that excerpt.
I understand the efforts of NK to try to mend ties with people who hate us so much, but why is it at the expense of being a true Toradig Jew.
Hashem first and foremost loves the Jewish people, and we must emulate Hashem, why then do they alienate themselves from the rest of us and make everyone look bad in their eyes.
I go to secular collage. I am in school with thousands of non jews from every spectrum. I don’t need to go hug them to make a kiddush Hashem. I don’t need to empathize with terrorsits who kill my brothers and sisters and call for their destruction.
There is a diference between trying to mend a relationship, and taking it too far. NK have simply taken it too far.November 24, 2014 5:06 am at 5:06 am #1044589RandomexMember
“you can find it by googling the guy’s name.”
Yosef/Joseph Antebi, specifically.November 24, 2014 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1044590
They didn’t hug any terrorists they hugged important Arab political leadersNovember 24, 2014 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #1044591
Arab political leaders who are terrorists.November 24, 2014 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #1044592
You have to agree with me that the quote that I posted from rabbi Weiss is right thoughNovember 24, 2014 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1044593
You have to agree with me that the quote that I posted from rabbi Weiss is right though
Sure, if you are a moron. But if you have any normaally working brain cells, then you have to laugh and cry at the same time instead.November 24, 2014 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #1044594
Wow, the mental gymnastics people will go through to try and rationalize stupidity.November 24, 2014 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1044595
Yishmael is a Pera Adam, i’d rather take my chances with Eisav Sonei Es Yackov. At least we have precedent in chazal how to deal with them.November 24, 2014 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #1044596ivoryMember
” they hugged important Arab leaders”
Who became important through terrorNovember 24, 2014 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #1044597Letakein GirlParticipant
How about you ask your rav what he thinks of NK? I’m certain that he will educate you…November 24, 2014 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #1044598
“Yishmael is a Pera Adam”
The construct of the Lashon is that the noun is Pera and the adjective is Adam. Therefore, that means a vilda chaya with d’moose of an adam.
BTW I have nothing against moose. They are AFAIK kosher animals.November 24, 2014 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #1044599November 24, 2014 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #1044600
“achmendinijad publicly declared that he doesn’t have anything against jews”
That’s just taarof.November 24, 2014 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #1044601
No you nitwit, I’m saying that it never has been used as suchan and anyone who would say that is an antisemite, and if they happen to be jewish, it is a decent rayah that they might be from the erev rav, according to the gra.November 24, 2014 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #1044602
Israel uses the holacaust to get money from Germany to this day where does that money go? Not to the survivors but to the IDF which oppresses peopleNovember 24, 2014 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #1044603November 24, 2014 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #1044604
“it is a decent rayah that they might be from the erev rav”
Just because a Rav permits an Eruv is no reason to lump him together with the NK.November 24, 2014 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #1044605🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Israel uses the holacaust to get money from Germany to this day where does that money go? Not to the survivors but to the IDF which oppresses people
That is a lie! 100% false! I know someone who works for the claims conference and that money goes to survivors, families of survivors and organizations promoting the education of and preservation of holocaust related causes. How many other of your anti-semetic and anti-Torah comments are lies? Who feeds you these sorry stories?November 24, 2014 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #1044606
That’s something else I’m talking about military aid to Israel from GermanyNovember 24, 2014 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1044607
When they say they hate Israel, they mean that they hate Jews.November 24, 2014 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #1044608🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
you can’t make false statements and then, when someone calls you on it, say that you were talking about something else.November 24, 2014 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #1044609
That’s completely false if
I hate Israel do I hate
Myself ?November 24, 2014 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #1044610
Perhaps you are not Jewish.November 24, 2014 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #1044611
Well, you should ask that “if I hate jews, do I haate myself?”
Which is a cute question, but of course we know it is very possible to hate oneself.
Besides, as discussed, their azus suggests they may be from the eirev rav, so we could easily understand that perhaps the eirev rav hates the bnei avraham yitzchok vyaakov.November 24, 2014 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #1044612
It’s different between us and them. When they say they hate the medina, they mean kill millions of Jews R”L. It’s more politically correct to be anti-zionist than be outright antisemitic.November 24, 2014 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #1044613
I was talking about money from Germany to Israel in both my postsNovember 24, 2014 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #1044614
“That’s completely false if I hate Israel do I hate Myself ?”
Perhaps you hate limburger cheese too, but its besiides the point who or what you hate. Your comments here are simply ridiculous and when called on them you retract or reinterpret what you meant.November 24, 2014 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #1044615
voos- really think about this one, don’t just shun it away. I ask you nicely, because I have not shunned anything you said, I am simply curious into the minds of NK.
According to NK then, you believe that anti semitism and anti zionism are completly seperate.
This is where you are incorrect. People who call for the destruction of the land of israel, call for the destruction of the people who live in it- that is your nation. Anti zionism is only a cover up for anti semitism. Thats the truth.
Yes you can say “but I simply am anti zionist, I wish the state of israel never existed”- but it does. Hashem made it exist, it was part of Hashem’s plan. ntohing in this world happens without a reason, and you can pray all you want for it’s destruction, but many good things have happened because of it. Now am I cheering on the secular government and not running our dear eretz yisroel according to Torah values? No, i’m not running to applud it, I also wish it were different. But that doesnt mean I go and start to propogate hate towards it from within the jewish community.
The reason the two are linked is because as a JEW, when you go out to the world and be “Or lagoyim”, and you show that you literally hate the state of israel publically, to people who call for it’s destruction, they see that as ” a jew doesn’t care about their land that they were promised”. That is simply how they see it. They hate us for living in it already, they hate us simply because we are not them, don’t add other reasons for them to hate us. If you don’t believe in the state, don’t go yelling it to the presidant of iran. The world needs to see that the jewish people are united and that they cannot crush us.November 24, 2014 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #1044617
It’s more important to educate yourself about the similarity between yourself and terrorists.November 25, 2014 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1044618
I don’t recall blowing myself up lol I advocate for end of war caused by Zionism how am I a terrorist?November 25, 2014 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1044619
Because you literally agree with the terrorists on every single point.
You are sick, my enemy. Very sick.
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