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May 16, 2011 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #596926quark2Member
I was recently at westgates kosher pizza shop in Lakewood, Pizza Place. The food was great, they had a very nice sit down area, good service etc. (if the owners are reading this – please add more kinds of cheese preztels. especially pizza preztels).
What struck me as hilarious was that right next to the pictures of r’ chaim and the brisker rav, were several drawings in what was unmistakably the manga style! They had the huge eyes, the tiny nose and mouth, etc. I wonder if the owners realize that in their store in the (largely) ultra frum ultra yeshivish town of Lakewood in one of Lakewoods most yeshiva – oriented neighborhoods there is on display a prime example of one of the most ‘goyish’ artforms. Manga cartoons are an icon of japanese culture, which has one of the highest percentages of athiests in the world. You can be sure that those cartoons aren’t about an eidele boy with yarmulka and tzitzis.
Though i guess one might argue that using the manga style to draw pictures of jews somehow makes it jewish (dont ask me how) . I guess its like the same thing as putting psukim and jewish words to rock/pop songs, which nearly everyone, even the yeshivish, dont seem to have a problem with
May 16, 2011 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #767128quark2Membershould’ve wrote in the title: This is not an ad
Oh well
May 16, 2011 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #767129s2021Memberquark- I really dont think whoever drew those manga cartoons and displayed them was thinking so deeply: “Manga cartoons are an icon of japanese culture, which has one of the highest percentages of athiests in the world.” They were probly thinking “what a cute cartoon my kid drew. Let me hang it up to make him feel good.” Seriously, lets not get carried away.. Its a pizza shop. There also happens to be a video machine in the docs office with bob the builder. Next to the seforim. In the Ir Hatorah. And ppl still go.
Btw- I dont think its the same as listening to goyish songs with the words tweaked. That gets me super nervous- but I think most yeshivish ppl r ok with it cuz ther simply clueless.
May 17, 2011 12:04 am at 12:04 am #767130quark2MemberI see your point, but actually it looked more like it was drawn by a proffesional artist and bought by the store. And its highly unlikely that a young jewish kid who was never exposed to manga would draw a picture that happens to look like manga.
And manga is not some kids cartoon like bob the builder. People of every age read manga in japan, and most of the time the comics are very adult themed (you dont have to read manga to know this).
May 17, 2011 12:09 am at 12:09 am #767131quark2MemberAlso it doesn’t have much to do with what they were thinking. My point was, that these goyish comics are the prime influence of what some day may be considered mainstream jewish art [the pictures were of jewish boys, BTW]. If you don’t have a problem with that, fine. some people may be more sensitive to this kind of thing than others
May 17, 2011 12:20 am at 12:20 am #767132s2021MemberI am familiar with Manga- I had a friend who read alot of em and used to draw manga cartoons. And she is Jewish. I do know what you mean by them not being just for kids. But so are regular American comics.
May 17, 2011 12:38 am at 12:38 am #767133quark2Memberi havent read any american comics in a long time, but im pretty sure that most of them are kid friendly. Unless they’re made specially….
May 17, 2011 12:40 am at 12:40 am #767134quark2MemberAnyway, maybe i am over reacting a little here. The drawings are cute, and who cares what the japs use it for. Who cares that they came up with that style of drawing first.
Need to think this one over a bit…
May 17, 2011 12:47 am at 12:47 am #767135TheGoqParticipantIt’s a pizza shop mangia mangia!!
May 17, 2011 1:06 am at 1:06 am #767136quark2Member@s2021 thats interesting. Was she good at it? Did she sell her work, or just do it for fun?
May 17, 2011 1:45 am at 1:45 am #767137TheGoqParticipant“who cares what the japs use it for.”
that is an offensive term very insensitive to people of Japanese descent, just as bad as someone using the k word for us.
May 17, 2011 2:25 am at 2:25 am #767138s2021MemberO quark- I didnt realize it was of jewish boys. I hear what ur sayin a lil more…
and she did it 4 fun. She read alot of manga comics and shes the artsy type..
May 17, 2011 7:11 am at 7:11 am #767139quark2Membergoq are you japanese? And can you tell me what a mangia is? and while you’re at it, whats a goq? Thanks
May 17, 2011 9:00 am at 9:00 am #767140TheGoqParticipantI am not Japanese but i detest any racial slur, mangia is what an Italian grandmother would say to her family at meal time loose translation- eat, enjoy. I am a Goq.
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