March 7, 2017 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1222874
Meno – And that was based on this:
“If he’s a doctor that sounds extremely unethical.”
Who are you to determine what is ethical or not?!?March 7, 2017 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #1222875MenoParticipant
Why are you trying so hard to avoid answering my question? It is a straightforward question, and if everything you’ve said so far is true, you should have no problem answering it.March 7, 2017 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #1222876Avram in MDParticipant
Let’s take it really slowly, step by step.
1. Popa bar Abba asked when the best time to start smoking is.
2. You responded that in his case, the sooner the better, because that would benefit you. Presumably this is a joke – implying facetiously that you do not like Popa bar Abba and would like to see him get sick and die and thus out of your hair.
3. Meno does not think such jokes are appropriate coming from a self-described medical person. I cannot tell if he is joking back at you or not.March 7, 2017 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #1222877apushatayidParticipant
40-50 days after the “kill date” is the best time to smoke meats.March 7, 2017 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #1222878👑RebYidd23Participant
Health, saying that it is wrong for medical professionals to harm people is not the same as saying that you said you wanted to harm people.March 7, 2017 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #1222879MenoParticipant
Presumably this is a joke – implying facetiously that you do not like Popa bar Abba and would like to see him get sick and die and thus out of your hair.
I actually thought he meant that it would be better for him because it would mean more business for him as a medical professional.
If he meant it the way you explained, I don’t think I would have a problem.
And to be honest, I was joking in the beginning, but then Health started to get annoying with all his yellingMarch 7, 2017 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #1222880
Yidd23 -“Health, saying that it is wrong for medical professionals to harm people is not the same as saying that you said you wanted to harm people.”
Accusing me of wanting to harm people is false.
All you can accuse me of – is giving bad advice.March 7, 2017 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1222881👑RebYidd23Participant
Are you implying that I made an accusation?March 7, 2017 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #1222882
Avram in MD -“Popa bar Abba asked when the best time to start smoking is.
2. You responded that in his case, the sooner the better, because that would benefit you. Presumably this is a joke -“
PBA is known around here as the joker. And I was responding as well in a joking form!
I guess some posters have no sense of humor!March 7, 2017 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm #1222883ubiquitinParticipant
“I guess some posters have no sense of humor!”
I get it!
wishing posters will die sooner is hilarious!
It then gets funnier when you lead people on and dont answer direct questions, that clearly resulted from a lack of understanding of your original hilarious joke!
good Stuff!March 8, 2017 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #1222884frumnotyeshivishParticipant
In terms of entertainment I receive from posters, Health, you are quite near the top of the list. Regardless (or should I say because) of your intent, don’t stop!March 8, 2017 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #1222885LightbriteParticipant
“40-50 days after the “kill date” is the best time to smoke meats.” (A)
A: What happens during those first 40-50 days before smoking meats?
Is it cured in salt?March 8, 2017 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #1222886gefiltefisher_rebbeParticipant
If I may, I believe I have the solution to all your problems.
1. Choose a smoker
2. Decide what type of woodchips to use
3. Soak the woodchips
4. Get your smoker ready for cooking
5. Chose your meat
6. Dry-rub your meat
7. Place it in the smoker (245 degrees is good)
8. Wait (for brisket, 12-14 hours is good)
9. EnjoyMarch 8, 2017 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #1222887cherrybimParticipant
B’N, if I make it to age 95 and still have my marbles, I will start smoking again.March 8, 2017 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #1222888apushatayidParticipant
I think this is why some gedolim stopped smoking. In those 9 steps they could have finished several blatt gemara, the bittul torah involved with smoking just isnt worth it. It may not be as healthy, but prepackaged saves lots of time.March 8, 2017 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #1222889ED IT ORParticipant
This is what happens when you spell humour wrong.March 8, 2017 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #1222890
crazybrit – lolMarch 8, 2017 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1222891
I saw in one of the Chafetz Chaim’s Sefarim (I think it’s called “zechor l’Miriam” or something like that, but I’m not sure) that he says smoking is assur. He gives two reason:
2. Bittul Torah.
Apparently in those days, it took at least half an hour to roll the cigars.March 8, 2017 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1222892
Huju – I’m still waiting for an answer from you. If you are going to make accusations about me, I am at least entitled to know what in the world you are talking about.March 9, 2017 3:01 am at 3:01 am #1222893LightbriteParticipant
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think washing clothes thoroughly in the washing machine can rid them of a smoking smell.
Does dry cleaning clothes also remove the smoker’s-smell?
Imho, I think that the smoker’s-smell would be a great deterrent to starting smoking.
Who wants to stand next to someone who smells like smoke, while he or she is davening?
The smell may interfere with a fellow Jew’s tefillah.March 9, 2017 5:01 am at 5:01 am #1222894rebshidduchParticipant
Right age to start smoking is after you stop having kids.March 9, 2017 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #1222895The little I knowParticipant
May I point out the evasiveness of the OP and nearly all of the comments. The true issue worth discussing (well maybe not – it has been chewed out in the CR many times) is whether there is any heter whatsoever to smoke a cigarette. I shudder to think that there are some who are willing to consider it okay to become an addict to nicotine. That issue is addressed very succinctly in several sifrei mussar, notably in the Michtav Me’Eliyahu from Rav Dessler.
I suspect that the issue being raised here is about the single cigarette, and the defensive angle on this is that the dreaded illnesses that result are not seen in the casual smoker, but only after long term smoking. Here again, I must “go off” on the very thought of it. The more contemporary seforim about smoking, quoting many, many mainstream and renowned poskim (with haskamos from many others) addresses the “single cigarette” issue, and proclaims it completely assur. If the regular smoker is committing murder (actually suicide), the small steps that contribute to the tragic end are individually assur. While opinionated, this is not really dependent on my personal feelings. The halacha is addressed quite clearly, and the same poskim we quote or consult have weighed in on the subject quite eloquently.
I am terribly bothered by the smoking that occurs on Purim, where young children are often encouraged to smoke. We would never allow our children to eat something from a hechsher we feel is inadequate. Kal vachomer something with NO hechsher, and even an issur proclaimed by nearly all recognized and reliable poskim should be banned 100%. Yes, it is as bad as the worst on the internet.
As long as we have trespassed into the territory of bad things that we ignore on Purim, in the name of simcha, the use of caps, smoke bombs, and other “Purim shtick” is a huge problem. They are used in shuls, extremely disturbing in many ways, and encroach into danger zones of playing with fire. Anyone with these shtick should be forbidden to enter a shul. If I had a shul, I would evict the parents whose children bring such contraband into the premises.
I do not think there is an age when anyone should consider something clearly assur to be okay.March 9, 2017 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #1222896
TLIK – I think the op was a joke. Someone pointed out recently that any (or almost any) threads started by PBA are troll threads.March 9, 2017 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #1222897
oh, and you may want to check the last tag (upper right on first page of this thread)
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