What are your opinions on Rav Avigdor Miller’s answer about acting good?

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    ๐Ÿ‘‘RebYidd23
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    His answer says that it’s better to “deceive” people by behaving like a gentlemen rather than showing your true character by behaving in an ungentlemanly manner.

    #1479997

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    This thread is copyright infringement and is directly comparable to kidnapping, halachically speaking.

    #1480005

    ๐Ÿ‘‘RebYidd23
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    Prove it.

    #1480010

    Joseph
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    Liked acting politely to someone who you feel like cursing out?

    #1480017

    ๐Ÿ‘‘RebYidd23
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    Yes, and being very nice to your wife. But you have to keep the ruse going for a lifetime.

    #1480020

    Joseph
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    That sounds like a wonderful idea!

    Come to think of it, I’ll bet if someone tried that approach that eventually he’ll actually come to like the person he didn’t like but always acted friendly to.

    #1480065

    GAON
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    Rebyid,
    You mean to ask what’s your opinion on having an opinion on Rav Miller’s ZTL opinions… ๐Ÿ™‚

    #1480081

    ๐Ÿ‘‘RebYidd23
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    No, GAON, that’s your question.

    #1480904

    Little Froggie
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    RY.

    Exactly. That’s what Seforim write. ื”ืจื’ืœ ื ืขืฉื” ื˜ื‘ืข.

    I’m still trying his trick…

    #1488092

    ๐Ÿ‘‘RebYidd23
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    Should I have exclusive rights to the way I paraphrased his words?

    #1488143

    gavriel613
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    ื•ืœื ื™ื›ืœื• ื“ื‘ืจื• ืœืฉืœื•ื. ืžืชื•ืš ื’ื ื•ืชื ืœืžื“ื ื• ืฉื‘ื—ื, ืฉืœื ื“ื‘ืจื• ืื—ืช ื‘ืคื” ื•ืื—ืช ื‘ืœื‘
    ืจืฉ”ื™ ื•ื™ืฉื‘ ืœื– ื“

    This would seem to contradict the way R Avigdor Miller is quoted, Rashi says once they hated Yosef which was admittedly a Gnus, it was then a Shvach that they at least didn’t act falsely.

    Rashi’s mekor is a medrash there (BR 84:9) which contrasts the Shvotim to Avsholom who was capable of acting differently to how he really felt (Maharzav). The Matnos Kehuna calls this geneivas daas; the Yefei Toar calls it chanufa.

    Do you have a source/further information about this quote

    #1488147

    gavriel613
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    ืจืžื‘ืดื ื”ืœื›ื•ืช ื“ืขื•ืช ืคืจืง ื‘ ื”ืœ’ ื•

    ืืกื•ืจ ืœืื“ื ืœื”ื ื”ื™ื’ ืขืฆืžื• ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ ื—ืœืงื•ืช ื•ืคื™ืชื•ื™. ื•ืœื ื™ื”ื™ื” ืื—ื“ ื‘ืคื” ื•ืื—ื“ ื‘ืœื‘ ืืœื ืชื•ื›ื• ื›ื‘ืจื• ื•ื”ืขื ื™ืŸ ืฉื‘ืœื‘ ื”ื•ื ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื‘ืคื”. ื•ืืกื•ืจ ืœื’ื ื•ื‘ ื“ืขืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ื•ืช ื•ืืคื™ืœื• ื“ืขืช ื”ื ื›ืจื™. ื›ื™ืฆื“ ืœื ื™ืžื›ื•ืจ ืœื ื›ืจื™ ื‘ืฉืจ ื ื‘ื™ืœื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื‘ืฉืจ ืฉื—ื•ื˜ื”. ื•ืœื ืžื ืขืœ ืฉืœ ืžืชื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืžื ืขืœ ืฉืœ ืฉื—ื•ื˜ื”. ื•ืœื ื™ืกืจื”ื‘ ื‘ื—ื‘ื™ืจื• ืฉื™ืื›ืœ ืืฆืœื• ื•ื”ื•ื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืื™ื ื• ืื•ื›ืœ. ื•ืœื ื™ืจื‘ื” ืœื• ื‘ืชืงืจื•ื‘ืช ื•ื”ื•ื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืงื‘ืœ. ื•ืœื ื™ืคืชื— ืœื• ื—ื‘ื™ื•ืช ืฉื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืคื•ืชื—ืŸ ืœืžื•ื›ืจืŸ ื›ื“ื™ ืœืคืชื•ืชื• ืฉื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื›ื‘ื•ื“ื• ืคืชื— ื•ื›ืŸ ื›ืœ ื›ื™ื•ืฆื ื‘ื•. ื•ืืคื™ืœื• ืžืœื” ืื—ืช ืฉืœ ืคื™ืชื•ื™ ื•ืฉืœ ื’ื ื™ื‘ืช ื“ืขืช ืืกื•ืจ, ืืœื ืฉืคืช ืืžืช ื•ืจื•ื— ื ื›ื•ืŸ ื•ืœื‘ ื˜ื”ื•ืจ ืžื›ืœ ืขืžืœ ื•ื”ื•ื•ืช

    #1489302

    ๐Ÿ‘‘RebYidd23
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    By the way, Sora S, could you explain what you meant by “constantly faking”?

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