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March 2, 2018 11:26 am at 11:26 am #1479779👑RebYidd23Participant
His answer says that it’s better to “deceive” people by behaving like a gentlemen rather than showing your true character by behaving in an ungentlemanly manner.
March 2, 2018 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1479997Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantThis thread is copyright infringement and is directly comparable to kidnapping, halachically speaking.
March 2, 2018 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1480005👑RebYidd23ParticipantProve it.
March 2, 2018 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1480010JosephParticipantLiked acting politely to someone who you feel like cursing out?
March 2, 2018 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #1480017👑RebYidd23ParticipantYes, and being very nice to your wife. But you have to keep the ruse going for a lifetime.
March 2, 2018 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #1480020JosephParticipantThat sounds like a wonderful idea!
Come to think of it, I’ll bet if someone tried that approach that eventually he’ll actually come to like the person he didn’t like but always acted friendly to.
March 3, 2018 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #1480065GAONParticipantRebyid,
You mean to ask what’s your opinion on having an opinion on Rav Miller’s ZTL opinions… 🙂March 3, 2018 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #1480081👑RebYidd23ParticipantNo, GAON, that’s your question.
March 5, 2018 10:15 am at 10:15 am #1480904Little FroggieParticipantRY.
Exactly. That’s what Seforim write. הרגל נעשה טבע.
I’m still trying his trick…
March 13, 2018 11:31 am at 11:31 am #1488092👑RebYidd23ParticipantShould I have exclusive rights to the way I paraphrased his words?
March 13, 2018 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #1488143gavriel613Participantולא יכלו דברו לשלום. מתוך גנותם למדנו שבחם, שלא דברו אחת בפה ואחת בלב
רש”י וישב לז דThis would seem to contradict the way R Avigdor Miller is quoted, Rashi says once they hated Yosef which was admittedly a Gnus, it was then a Shvach that they at least didn’t act falsely.
Rashi’s mekor is a medrash there (BR 84:9) which contrasts the Shvotim to Avsholom who was capable of acting differently to how he really felt (Maharzav). The Matnos Kehuna calls this geneivas daas; the Yefei Toar calls it chanufa.
Do you have a source/further information about this quote
March 13, 2018 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #1488147gavriel613Participantרמב״ם הלכות דעות פרק ב הל’ ו
אסור לאדם להנהיג עצמו בדברי חלקות ופיתוי. ולא יהיה אחד בפה ואחד בלב אלא תוכו כברו והענין שבלב הוא הדבר שבפה. ואסור לגנוב דעת הבריות ואפילו דעת הנכרי. כיצד לא ימכור לנכרי בשר נבילה במקום בשר שחוטה. ולא מנעל של מתה במקום מנעל של שחוטה. ולא יסרהב בחבירו שיאכל אצלו והוא יודע שאינו אוכל. ולא ירבה לו בתקרובת והוא יודע שאינו מקבל. ולא יפתח לו חביות שהוא צריך לפותחן למוכרן כדי לפתותו שבשביל כבודו פתח וכן כל כיוצא בו. ואפילו מלה אחת של פיתוי ושל גניבת דעת אסור, אלא שפת אמת ורוח נכון ולב טהור מכל עמל והוות
March 14, 2018 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm #1489302👑RebYidd23ParticipantBy the way, Sora S, could you explain what you meant by “constantly faking”?
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