November 2, 2011 5:05 pm at 5:05 pm #600318
Im interested to know what everyone thinks here about learning Chassidus and acting on it..meaning still being you,maybe growing a beard or some peyos but no totally being “chassidish from birth”…
I know from yeshiva days(still in yeshiva but not a litvish one)…that they did not like the fact that i was learning Chassidus.I lost trust to lots of people who i thought were Talmidei Chachomim because of their “dislike” to chassidus.
So what do you think?
What if your wife started learning Breslov one day?
Or your husband started learning Chabad or Ishbitz and wanted to daven rally late or go to rebbes?
Peace.November 2, 2011 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #823445
What do your rabbeim say?November 2, 2011 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #823446Sam2Participant
Learning Chassidus on your own without someone with a Mesorah in it to teach it to you can be dangerous. Also, growing a beard and peyos have nothing to do with learning Chassidus.November 2, 2011 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #823447oot for lifeParticipant
i have two large gedolim pictures the GR”A and Rav ShachNovember 2, 2011 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #823448
Why do you want to learn chassidus? What is lacking in your own mesorah?November 2, 2011 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #823449yitayningwutParticipant
I lost trust to lots of people who i thought were Talmidei Chachomim because of their “dislike” to chassidus.
Could you explain?November 2, 2011 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #823450
I will explain.I come from a very heimish family.my father has chassidish minhagim which he got from his father who was part of ger chassidim.i didnt grow up chassidish but when i got to israel..i got very into it and continue to learn and practice.There is nothing lacking in my mesorah..what was lacking was the world that i was learning in..very dry..making everyone the same.It works for certain people just not for me so i explored and got into chassidus.My Rebbe at the time(this was about a year after getting into it)pulled me aside one day and gave me a card for a psychiatrist…he said to me..in case you feel like killing yourself one day(because of the chassidus)call this number first.BH im still alive and happy and BH i stopped talking to him after that.This was a person who learned by gedolim to.Im not going out against anything.Im asking what your opinion on the matter is.Eventually i had to leave that yeshiva,i was aksed to leave because of my beard.
Nowadays,in most mainstream American yeshivos in Israel,they teach very little chassidus but some have started and its growing.
Some rebbes will laugh in ur face if u mention the baal shem tov to them.
Why?November 2, 2011 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #823451sam4321Participant
Why do feel the need to ask someone what they think of somthing you want to do.It shows that somthing bothers you reagrding chassidas.If you truly like it and gain from it what’s the issue? If all you want to know is why litvaks are opposed to it, it is because they are two very diffrent mehalchim.November 2, 2011 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #823452
It’s clear your heart is into chassidus, so telling you “no” will not accomplish much other than make you miserable. So I would tell you to explore chassidus, but make sure to daven krias shema bezmano. This is the advice Rav Shlomo eiger gave his son who was exploring chassidus.November 2, 2011 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm #823453
u missed the whole point of this thread.I wasnt looking for approval.Im asking if you learn it and how u feel about it.Someone asked me a person question so i answered.November 2, 2011 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #823454sam4321Participant
Jothar: just to add on your point, Rav Chaim Volozhin was friendly with chassidim in his times but when it came to doing mitzvos b’zmano he said one cannot go beyond its time.November 2, 2011 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #823455
I go in time.
My “Chassidish Rebbe” says to daven as early as possible.
Some tzaddikim can do it cuz its not out of time..they live differently.November 3, 2011 12:26 am at 12:26 am #823456HaLeiViParticipant
The ‘dislike’ you mention is a vestige of Hisnagdus. Although Hisnagduss itself is mainly gone, the psychological barrier remained. As a result, most Litvishe Melumadim are, for the most part, completely ignorant of Chasidishe ideas. Therefore, anyone who was close to a non-Chasidishe Rebbe who heads toward Chasidus will get a funny response.
On the other hand, the term you use, “learning Chassidus”, is usually used by the ones who kept vestiges of anti-Litvishe sentiments. That might be what is feeding your attitude.November 3, 2011 3:16 am at 3:16 am #823457ItcheSrulikMember
I laughed at your examples. I learn Chabad and Izhbitz (and some others) but I have no desire to daven late, at least not due to chasidus — maybe due to when I go to sleep.
Haleivi: Not exclusively. It’s also used by non-chasidim who see chassidus as another miktzoa in Torah. I learn Gemara. I learn Machshava. I learn chassidus.November 3, 2011 11:46 am at 11:46 am #823458ToiParticipant
you can appreciate the torah without davening at 11. im yekkish and learn shem mishmuel every week. you dont need to become a hayseh chossid for the machshava sheboi. i haghly doubt that chassidim feel the need to ask their rebbes if they should learn kol eliyahu.November 3, 2011 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm #823459BTGuyParticipant
Being a BTguy, I have had the true privilege of being exposed to many sects within our religion, to share in celebrations and to learn. In my experience, it’s all good. I have respect for all. The different perspectives all add up to Judaism, as I see it. I happen to find Chassidish influences very inspiring. I see no reason to see it as a red flag. I mean, people can find fault within any segment of Judaism, but I will say, there are people within each segment of frum Judaism that are better representatives than others, but that is all part of each of us growing spiritually.November 3, 2011 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #823460
People like Rav Dessler, Rabbi AJ Twerski and Rabbi aryeh kaplan have mainstreamed much of chassidish thought already.November 3, 2011 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #823461
why u guys keep on going about davening late?
not everone davens late.November 3, 2011 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #823462msseekerMember
BTGuy, Kol hakavod for your refreshing attitude of appreciation and humility.November 3, 2011 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #823463BTGuyParticipant
Oh, thank you, msseeker. Much appreciated.November 3, 2011 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #823464yitayningwutParticipant
chadssidus is not simply a mode of dress and a heritage of beautiful stories. It is a philosophy and a way of thinking which in many ways contradicts the way of the litvishe yeshivos. A litvishe rosh yeshiva would discourage you from learning chassidus because presumably you are learning in order to know how to think, i.e. to have correct hashkafos, and from the rosh yeshiva’s perspective you will not find the correct hashkafos there. It’s not about finding fault with people. Chassidim are wonderful people. But the litvishe rosh yeshiva believes that the chadid’s hashkafa is mistaken, so he will not encourage his student to learn it.
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