What Blessing to make upon Seeing President Obama

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    Torah613Torah
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    From http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/seeing-stars?view=all

    Torah613Torah

    Brony – I saw a famous actor once. My friend said he was. But I can’t remember the name though.

    I would like to see Obama someday, and make the bracha on seeing a king.

    WIY

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    Torah

    If you were to see Obama you say the bracha without Hashems name.

    Brony

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    nah w/ a bracha bro, dude has drones.

    Torah613Torah

    WIY: I thought Rabbi Yosef said to say it.

    HaLeiVi

    Plays the aeolian harp by air

    You’ll be able to say it when he changes term limits and makes a state of emergency.

    WIY

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    Torah

    The Steipler, Satmar Rav (Reb Yoel) and Shu”t Beer Moshe pasken otherwise. If you are a sefardi and he is your posek you may follow him otherwise you should do as the Ashkenazi poskim pasken.

    So, I don’t get why he isn’t considered a king? He’s way more important than Queen Elizabeth. Do we say the bracha with Shem UMalchus upon seeing her?

    #948371
    swiet
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    What Blessing to make upon Seeing President Obama

    ???? ?????? ????? ????

    Which begets the question, why don’t we make this brocha on a Bas Mitzva girl?

    #948373
    Chortkov
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    R’ Yackov Galinsky spoke in my shul about 3 years ago, and he said a story about the Steipler (I think), who said “Shelo Osani Carter” when Jimmy Carter came to Israel. I don’t remember why or when. But when Bush came to Israel, R’ Yackov Galinsky (who davens in the same shul as R’ Chaim Kanievsky) went over to R’ Chaim Kanievsky and said “Shelo Osani Bush”, and R’ Chaim supposedly said “Omein”.

    #948374
    Chortkov
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    But seeing the fool would probable give me more ????? when I say ???? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ????

    #948376
    DaMoshe
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    You only say the bracha on a king who has absolute power – such as the power to sentence someone to death on a whim. Since Obama does not have that power, you don’t say that bracha.

    The proper bracha should be, “May God bless and keep Obama… far away from us!”

    #948377
    playtime
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    DaMoshe- Obama can kill anyone in a whim.

    Marshal Law is sanctioned by the ‘Necessary and Proper’ clause in the Constitution.

    He can also spare a life in a whim with a pardon.

    The guy is the most powerful guy in the Planet. More that any King around today. Don’t let the “Mr. President” fool you

    #948378
    shazam
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    OK, how about an objective discussion.

    On the one hand, you only make a beracha shecholak mechevodo l’basar v’dam with Shem and Malchus on seeing a non-Jewish king who has the power to execute.

    On the other hand, the US President – as Commander in Chief – has the power to unilaterally approve the killing of enemy combatants. This President (and most of his predecessors) has exercised that power.

    Those are the facts. How about a rational, objective, non-political discussion of the Hallacha?

    #948379
    swiet
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    DaMoshe: In that case you certainly should make no brocho on the Queen of England, who has even less power than the POTUS.

    #948380
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    You only say the bracha on a king who has absolute power – such as the power to sentence someone to death on a whim. Since Obama does not have that power, you don’t say that bracha.

    Some hold that the ability to go to war, and the ability to pardon, are sufficient to make the bracha.

    #948382
    Torah613Torah
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    Shazam: “On the one hand, you only make a beracha shecholak mechevodo l’basar v’dam with Shem and Malchus on seeing a non-Jewish king who has the power to execute.”

    Thank you. In that case, why does anyone hold that the bracha shouldn’t be made with Shem & Malchus?

    Daas Yochid: So would you say the bracha?

    #948383
    Sam2
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    Torah: Because Obama doesn’t quite have the power to execute any American citizen without due process of law. Also, it could be that because he can’t extend his reign forever that the Brachah wouldn’t be made.

    #948384
    popa_bar_abba
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    May God bless and keep the President… far away from us!

    @ Leibish

    #948387
    playtime
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    I love how nobody reads the thread.

    just the first and last posts,

    then they post.

    So you have a bunch of redundant miscommunication.

    Ah, the coffee room.

    #948388
    Git Meshige
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    Yekke2, you don’t need to believe every urban legand out there

    #948389

    You should def. make a pretty awesome bracha. In the olden days kings could only kill people who were nearby or locked up or something. The president can kill almost anyone almost anywhere.

    #948390
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    T613, I would ask a shailah, but I think the answer would be yes.

    Talmud, there was a lot of down time between posts.

    #948391
    popa_bar_abba
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    I love how nobody reads the thread.

    just the first and last posts,

    then they post.

    So you have a bunch of redundant miscommunication.

    Ah, the coffee room.

    I suppose that’s directed at me. To be fair, I wasn’t even reading the last post. Someone told me to post that, and I just did.

    #948392
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    And I thought it was directed at me.

    #948393
    TheGoq
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    “such as the power to sentence someone to death on a whim”

    Ever hear of drones?

    #948394
    nishtdayngesheft
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    This ???? was already paskened by the Rov in Fiddler on the Roof.

    #948395
    Torah613Torah
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    The drones issue is interesting. DY – IYH I’ll ask a Rav.

    Thanks to all the responses.

    #948396
    Chortkov
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    Git Meshige – There is a difference between an “urban legend” and hearing a story firsthand from the guy who did it. Whether you choose to believe HIM (R’ Yackov Galinsky Shlit”a) or ME (EDITED) is up to YOU.

    #948397

    My grandfather z’l related to me that as a child he made a brocho upon seeing the German Kaiser (obviously in friendlier times to the Jews). I do not remember what brocho he told me he made.

    Additionally at the KAJ shuls in Washington Heights and Monsey the “Hanosen Teshua” tephilla is said every shabbos specifically mentioning “Adonienu Hapresident Shel Artzos Habris Yorum Hudo”

    Politics aside, we must be greatful that we live in a country that allows us to openly practice our religion.

    #948400
    rebdoniel
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    The braha for Obama should be the czar’s blessing from Fiddler on the Roof.

    #948403
    Ash
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    When the Queen visited Gateshead in 2002, the previous Gateshead Rov paskened you do make the brochoh.

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