what chassidic movements don't require you to grow a beard?

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  • #607874

    abc12345
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    what chassidic movements don’t require you to grow a beard?

    For those that do, is it halachic?

    #921387

    sushee
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    The Chofetz Chaim and Rav Eliashev say the requirement is halachic, and neither of them are Chasidic. I doubt any Chasidus doesn’t require it.

    #921388

    Halachically, one is not supposed to cut the corners of his beard. This is why some men who shave have a heter to do so with an electric razor that pulls the hairs out instead of cutting them like a razor typically does. Its not just a chassidish thing, it is also a litvish thing as well.

    #921389

    WIY
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    If you are a girl you have nothing to worry about.

    #921390

    abc12345
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    ok thanks. I did hear there are a few [minor] dynasty that don’t require it.

    #921391

    zahavasdad
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    The Modern Day Chofetz Chaim Yeshiva FORBIDS beards until I think you are a Rav or a certain age, they do not allow Bochrim to have one

    I don’t think that’s true. And I have semicha from them. (also, they aren’t chassidish)

    #921392

    old man
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    Dear Snowbunny,

    With all due respect, your knowledge on this topic is seriously flawed. I suggest you consult with a Rav or otherwise knowledgable person before you make erroneous halachic pronouncements in a public forum.

    #921393

    ok…

    #921394

    ThePurpleOne
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    zahavasdad-

    most high schools dont let their boys have beards cuz it looks retarded, nothing to do w halacha!! also phily boys x allowed to have one even in beis medrash so my bro has one during the summer in camp!! and it looks eww on a 19 yr old guy, lets not even discuss a 16 yr old boy…

    #921395

    zahavasdad
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    I have friends who went to Chofetz Chaim and they told me this. (I know they arent Chassidish)

    They said that Chofetz Chaim feels that a beard is something special meant for more learned people

    Oh, I wasn’t accusing you of making it up. I just thought you’d want to know that your friends are not correct. You can believe me–I was there for a very long time, and got smicha from them (which takes a really really long time).

    #921396

    nishtdayngesheft
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    ZD,

    How did Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim get roped into a discussion about chasidim with beards?

    #921397

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I know it takes a real long time to get Simchas from them, I know people who got it

    #921398

    achosid
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    zahavasdad spews lies once again.

    #921399

    nishtdayngesheft
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    ZD,

    I know quite a few people form there who got married very shortly after they started going out. Why do you say it takes long to get simchas from them?

    And does the the yeshiva itself produce simchas?

    #921400

    2scents
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    OK, so we have a mod (a very bold one) with smicha!

    #921401

    zahavasdad
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    The yeshiva itself produces smichas, I say it takes a long time to get semicha from there, because it does. I dont know exactly how long. I am fairly certain though its longer than YU which takes 4 years to get it.

    IMO there is nothing wrong with holding back semicha except to those who really deserve it.

    #921402

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    ZD make up your mind. Simchas, smichas or semichas?

    #921403

    a mamin
    Participant

    I think we should start calling ZD Rabbi ZD!

    #921404

    Toi
    Participant

    maybe pope zd…

    #921405

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    The real and correct answer is that no Chassidic movement requires one to grow a beard.

    You can ask another question about which allow cutting off a beard. Which is something else entirely.

    #921406

    Chortkov
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    My Rav told me that R’ Moshe Feinstien was ???? shaving. Somebody once asked him why he never wrote this in ????? ???, and he said that he didn’t want to write the ??? in a ?????? sefer, because the ???? of a Yid is with a beard.


    The Satmar Rebbe was very friendly with somebody who was cleanshaven. A Chassid once asked the Rebbe how can it be you are so friendly – you pasken that it is Assur to shave?

    He answered that “When he comes up to ???? they will ask ‘Yid, Yid – where is your beard?’ When you come up, they will say ‘Beard, Beard, where is your Yid?'”

    #921407

    ThePurpleOne
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    chofetz chaim takes 6 or 7 kollel yrs and u havta pass a test then

    #921408

    yytz
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    The leader of Breslov chassidus in America a couple generations ago, R’ Aryeh Tzvi Benzion Rosenfeld, wore only a short beard, and I think at times was “clean shaven.” In general, all chassidim wear beards, but Breslov is a more individualistic, and well, you can belong to a Chabad kiruv shul, daven Nusach Ari, consider yourself a Chabadnik, but not wear a beard and maintain a Modern Orthodox appearance.

    #921409

    Chortkov
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    I thought Breslov haven’t had a rebbe since Rebbe N-Nachman died?

    #921410

    yytz
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    Yekke2, that’s correct — Rebbe Nachman didn’t believe in the title of Rebbe passing on to an heir in each generation. But in every generation there have been leaders of the Breslov community (or separate sub-communities). R’ Rosenfeld was the main one, or one of them main ones, a in the US couple generations ago.

    #921411

    akuperma
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    No one claims there is a requirement to grow a beard, though as a matter of fashion almost all Hasidim (and most frum Jews) wear one. After all, most men were created by Ha-Shem with beards, and who are we to question His judgement. Maybe the more modern do, but Hasidim are happy to do things the way Ha-Shem wants, that’s what defines being a hasid – and it is obviously Ha-Shem wants beards.

    There are halachic issues on shaving and cutting hair, but no one requires growing a beard. If for some reason you can’t grow a beard, you can’t grow a beard.

    #921412

    yytz
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    Yekke2, please don’t refer to him as Rebbe “N-Nachman.” I assume that was a joke related to the Na-Nachs? It’s important to understand that the “Na-Nachs” are only a tiny proportion of today’s Breslovers, and they only began in the 20th century.

    #921413

    HaLeiVi
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    To echo Akuperma, the Chafetz Chaim’s Kuntres is about not shaving with a shaver. He has a footnote in the beginning about why it is that in these lands we were Noheg, and Mosser Nefesh, to have a full beard.

    Nobody requires it as a rule. In fact, there usually aren’t any spoken rules in the first place. You can find many older people of certain Chassidusen that don’t have beards.

    The idea of a full beard is from the Zohar Hakadosh. I once saw a Teshuva from the Ben Ish Chai to a business man who felt he had to shave for his business’ sake. The Ben Ish Chai allowed him to do so, and said that the small amount that he leaves over Lehalacha are enough to be Meramez to what the beard is Meramez.

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