January 21, 2013 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #607874abc12345Participant
what chassidic movements don’t require you to grow a beard?
For those that do, is it halachic?January 21, 2013 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #921387susheeMember
The Chofetz Chaim and Rav Eliashev say the requirement is halachic, and neither of them are Chasidic. I doubt any Chasidus doesn’t require it.January 21, 2013 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #921388snowbunny3318Member
Halachically, one is not supposed to cut the corners of his beard. This is why some men who shave have a heter to do so with an electric razor that pulls the hairs out instead of cutting them like a razor typically does. Its not just a chassidish thing, it is also a litvish thing as well.January 21, 2013 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #921389WIYMember
If you are a girl you have nothing to worry about.January 21, 2013 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #921390abc12345Participant
ok thanks. I did hear there are a few [minor] dynasty that don’t require it.January 21, 2013 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #921391
The Modern Day Chofetz Chaim Yeshiva FORBIDS beards until I think you are a Rav or a certain age, they do not allow Bochrim to have one
I don’t think that’s true. And I have semicha from them. (also, they aren’t chassidish)January 21, 2013 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #921392old manParticipant
With all due respect, your knowledge on this topic is seriously flawed. I suggest you consult with a Rav or otherwise knowledgable person before you make erroneous halachic pronouncements in a public forum.January 21, 2013 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #921393snowbunny3318Member
ok…January 21, 2013 5:59 pm at 5:59 pm #921394ThePurpleOneMember
most high schools dont let their boys have beards cuz it looks retarded, nothing to do w halacha!! also phily boys x allowed to have one even in beis medrash so my bro has one during the summer in camp!! and it looks eww on a 19 yr old guy, lets not even discuss a 16 yr old boy…January 21, 2013 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #921395
I have friends who went to Chofetz Chaim and they told me this. (I know they arent Chassidish)
They said that Chofetz Chaim feels that a beard is something special meant for more learned people
Oh, I wasn’t accusing you of making it up. I just thought you’d want to know that your friends are not correct. You can believe me–I was there for a very long time, and got smicha from them (which takes a really really long time).January 21, 2013 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #921396
How did Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim get roped into a discussion about chasidim with beards?January 21, 2013 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #921397
I know it takes a real long time to get Simchas from them, I know people who got itJanuary 21, 2013 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #921398achosidParticipant
zahavasdad spews lies once again.January 21, 2013 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #921399
I know quite a few people form there who got married very shortly after they started going out. Why do you say it takes long to get simchas from them?
And does the the yeshiva itself produce simchas?January 21, 2013 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #9214002scentsParticipant
OK, so we have a mod (a very bold one) with smicha!January 21, 2013 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #921401
The yeshiva itself produces smichas, I say it takes a long time to get semicha from there, because it does. I dont know exactly how long. I am fairly certain though its longer than YU which takes 4 years to get it.
IMO there is nothing wrong with holding back semicha except to those who really deserve it.January 21, 2013 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #921402
ZD make up your mind. Simchas, smichas or semichas?January 21, 2013 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #921403a maminParticipant
I think we should start calling ZD Rabbi ZD!January 21, 2013 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #921404ToiParticipant
maybe pope zd…January 21, 2013 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #921405
The real and correct answer is that no Chassidic movement requires one to grow a beard.
You can ask another question about which allow cutting off a beard. Which is something else entirely.January 21, 2013 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #921406ChortkovParticipant
My Rav told me that R’ Moshe Feinstien was ???? shaving. Somebody once asked him why he never wrote this in ????? ???, and he said that he didn’t want to write the ??? in a ?????? sefer, because the ???? of a Yid is with a beard.
The Satmar Rebbe was very friendly with somebody who was cleanshaven. A Chassid once asked the Rebbe how can it be you are so friendly – you pasken that it is Assur to shave?
He answered that “When he comes up to ???? they will ask ‘Yid, Yid – where is your beard?’ When you come up, they will say ‘Beard, Beard, where is your Yid?'”January 21, 2013 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #921407ThePurpleOneMember
chofetz chaim takes 6 or 7 kollel yrs and u havta pass a test thenJanuary 21, 2013 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #921408
The leader of Breslov chassidus in America a couple generations ago, R’ Aryeh Tzvi Benzion Rosenfeld, wore only a short beard, and I think at times was “clean shaven.” In general, all chassidim wear beards, but Breslov is a more individualistic, and well, you can belong to a Chabad kiruv shul, daven Nusach Ari, consider yourself a Chabadnik, but not wear a beard and maintain a Modern Orthodox appearance.January 21, 2013 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #921409ChortkovParticipant
I thought Breslov haven’t had a rebbe since Rebbe N-Nachman died?January 22, 2013 1:31 am at 1:31 am #921410
Yekke2, that’s correct — Rebbe Nachman didn’t believe in the title of Rebbe passing on to an heir in each generation. But in every generation there have been leaders of the Breslov community (or separate sub-communities). R’ Rosenfeld was the main one, or one of them main ones, a in the US couple generations ago.January 22, 2013 2:30 am at 2:30 am #921411akupermaParticipant
No one claims there is a requirement to grow a beard, though as a matter of fashion almost all Hasidim (and most frum Jews) wear one. After all, most men were created by Ha-Shem with beards, and who are we to question His judgement. Maybe the more modern do, but Hasidim are happy to do things the way Ha-Shem wants, that’s what defines being a hasid – and it is obviously Ha-Shem wants beards.
There are halachic issues on shaving and cutting hair, but no one requires growing a beard. If for some reason you can’t grow a beard, you can’t grow a beard.January 22, 2013 2:32 am at 2:32 am #921412
Yekke2, please don’t refer to him as Rebbe “N-Nachman.” I assume that was a joke related to the Na-Nachs? It’s important to understand that the “Na-Nachs” are only a tiny proportion of today’s Breslovers, and they only began in the 20th century.January 22, 2013 3:21 am at 3:21 am #921413HaLeiViParticipant
To echo Akuperma, the Chafetz Chaim’s Kuntres is about not shaving with a shaver. He has a footnote in the beginning about why it is that in these lands we were Noheg, and Mosser Nefesh, to have a full beard.
Nobody requires it as a rule. In fact, there usually aren’t any spoken rules in the first place. You can find many older people of certain Chassidusen that don’t have beards.
The idea of a full beard is from the Zohar Hakadosh. I once saw a Teshuva from the Ben Ish Chai to a business man who felt he had to shave for his business’ sake. The Ben Ish Chai allowed him to do so, and said that the small amount that he leaves over Lehalacha are enough to be Meramez to what the beard is Meramez.
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