What did the mraglim do wrong? (non political)

Home Forums Bais Medrash What did the mraglim do wrong? (non political)

Viewing 21 posts - 1 through 21 (of 21 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #1296433

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    Anyone know if theres an issur on speaking loshon horoh on inanimate objects? was it halachicly muttar? Rashi makes it sound like real loshon harah.

    #1296462

    Avi K
    Participant

    After Hashem’s promise and after all of the open miracles in the desert it was unbelievable kefira. As for LH, I heard that the Ben Ish Hai said that it is even assur to complain about the weather in EY.

    #1296996

    bmyer
    Participant

    “it was unbelievable kefira”
    Avi : It’s not that simple- these were really great people…

    #1297040

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    thanks avi k. Its a chiddush to me though and like idk curious what it means

    #1297055

    Avi K
    Participant

    Bmyer, and their yetzer hara was correspondingly greater. BTW, I read a few minutes ago an interesting chiddush. The Izbitca says that they intended to do an aveira llshma. They did believe in Am Yisrael’s ability to keep the Torah so they tried to prevent them from entering the Land. However, the did not appreciate the essential qualities of the Land. Rav Soloveichik says something similar. Just as Miriam did not appreciate Moshe sufficiently so too the spies did not appreciate EY sufficiently.

    #1297057

    jakob
    Participant

    with the Sechina & hashem in his holy presence & the great himble leader Moshe Rabeinu being with klal yisroel 24/7 it was a lack of trust & faith in Hashem to question Hashem about the land promised to them & not trust Hashem when they were on such a high level & saw such great miracles every day since they left mitzrayim over & over again.

    i.e. its a insult & contradiction to question YOUR own father/parents raising you since birth & taking care of EVERY SINGLE NEED, when you never yet saw in your life them not taking care of you 24/7

    #1297458

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    jakob, i agree with that part. But rashi the reason this parsha comes after last weeeks parsha is because miriam got tzaraas for speaking loshon hara and the mraglim didnt learn from that to avoid speaking loshon hara. This suggests that it is halachicly assur to speak loshon hara about the land.

    #1297471

    tobs
    Participant

    maybe on our level it’s not so bad but the Meraglim were massive Tsaddikim and so on their level they did a major sin
    also their Lashon Hara was horrible because it lead to the extreme reaction of Bnei Yisroel and and Hashem made that Galus would happen because they cried for no reason on the 9th of Av and so they will cry on that night for years to come.

    #1297923

    I think what Oyyoyyoy would like is for someone
    to explain the sin of “hotziu dibas haAretz.”

    #1297947

    MDG
    Participant

    At first they answered Moshe’s questions about the land. Then they said it’s all for nothing; they passed judgement.

    #1298008

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    I haven’t seen this in any meforshim, these are my own thoughts.
    As far as I know, Eretz Yisroel is the only inanimate “object” on which it is assur to speak Lashon Hara. And that may be related to what Jakob was saying. Eretz Yisroel was created for Bnei Yisroel to keep the Torah, it is perfect for their needs for that purpose. To malign E”Y is therefore to reject that principle, which is harmful to the relationship of YIsroel-Torah-Hashem and shows tremendous ingratitude to Hashem. So I think that is why it is assur to speak L”H about E”Y, specifically.

    #1298198

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    beautiful. avi k just understood your stuff also thanks very nice.

    #1298241

    Defend Chabad
    Participant

    I have a question for you guys to answer that is semi-related to this topic: After all the clear nisim that were surely maalah min hatevah such as krias yam suf, the ten plagues, the rolling stone, the “man” that fell in the desert and tasted like anything they wanted, an dozens of others, how was it possible that the yidden believed that Hashem wouldnt help them to get Eretz Yisroel from the giants? how did they come to believe the meraglim that it was impossible to attain the land? they surely should have felt invincible by the!

    #1298248

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    Interesting. I saw artscroll chumash when paroh came running at us after he let us free by krias yam suf, Why would he do that? didnt he seeeeeee? The scary answer there is that the human mind has a very powerful ability to rationalize. Maybe this is the same? idk

    #1298250

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    Going into eretz yisroel meant not seeing the man coming from shamayim, not seeing the open hand of hashem every day. They were afraid of going into that life. But that is exactly what Hashem wants, for us to see him through all the veils of tevah and hester, and to not say “i made this money”, it came from hashem.

    I once heard a rebbe saw children playing hide and seek and commented that that’s how it is. Hashem hides Himself from us (individualy and or a klal), but he wants for us to seek him out. Not seeking is missing the whole point. Good shabbos everyone!! i love you all!!!!!!!!

    #1298254

    Defend Chabad
    Participant

    very good oyyoyyoy! that is almost the correct answer! did you think of that yourself or you heard that from someone?
    it is similar to the answer that the Lubavitcher Rebbe gave in one of his famous sichos.
    The reason the yidden didn’t want to enter e”y was not because they were scared about losing the war but a different reason entirely.
    yidden didn’t want to enter into a world of gashmius and business. in the midbar they were able to sit and learn without having to worry about financial matters.

    #1298311

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    I heard it from someone else who was quoting someone wayy before the rebbes times. I still dont have a perfect answer about the whole L”H thing

    #1299593

    Defend Chabad
    Participant

    Oh so that explains why your answer was a little different from what the Rebbe said. Who was the person that your friend quoted about the other answer?

    #1325186

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    rashi this weeks parsha says that they didnt learn the lesson from miriam and spoke against the “makom”. One way they explain this word is eretz yisroel, but the other way is that they were belittling what Hashem said.

    #1325320

    sefardi guy
    Participant

    Finally there is Torah here and not Shtussim!

    #1325319

    blubluh
    Participant

    The issur of lashon hara involves the listener as well as the tale bearer. Understanding its role in the episode of the meraglim is an opportunity to consider what it is about lashon hara that makes it so appealing and hopefully strengthen those traits that protect us from it.

Viewing 21 posts - 1 through 21 (of 21 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.


Trending