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What do u think about Michael Savage’s view on MBP/ The IDF Draft?
He’s a meshugana. Who cares what his views are.
First state his views; then e/o can discuss them.
Some of his views are based on ignorance. In other areas, he demonstrates wisdom and gets his point across well. When it comes to Obama and there Middle East, or illegal immigration, he speaks very assuredly. He knows nothing about bris milah OR the IDF, so I can accept what he has to say on some subjects, but reject his opinions about others.
GG -I’m not interested in it personally, but if u feel it’s important to discuss – then post his view’s. I don’t see how his view is different than any other Frei Yid.
Oomis,
So what you are saying is that he speaks well and articulates his points with wisdom when he agrees with your views, but when there is a disagreement he is ignorant.
G.G. -“Because Michael Savage is a famous talk radio host.”
So you elevated him either because you listen to him & you generally like his viewpoint or because he’s famous?! I got news for you, they’re more famous Jews than him – like the ones that are on the Supreme Court!
G.G.-“Yes, I used to listen to him, but still Michael Savage is the #1 syndicated conservative talk radio host in the country.”
So in your mind he’s more influential than the Jewish supreme justices!
No, goofus. I am saying he is an intellectual, who knows nothing of Torah. I can respect his views, but reject his ignorance of Judaism. I might not even agree with all that he says, though I have politically conservative views for the most part. But when it comes to Torah, he is better off sticking with politics. At least there he knows most of what her is talking about!
OOmis, he knows as much about politics as about Judaism. Yet he is equally confident in his knoledge of both. The difference is YOU know more about Judaism than politics so you can call out his ignorance in one and not the other. He should stick to nutritonal ethnomedicine MAYBE he knows what he is talking about there (I don’t know enough to judge)
Oomis,
He has a very limited understanding of politics, but you are free to subscribe to those ignorant views and hold them as intellectual.
And have you heard his views on autism?
G.G. -“Yes because Michael Savage is a conservative, and the jewish supreme justices are democrats.”
Let me get this straight, you feel every Jewish conservative must follow exactly the Torah, but Not liberals! Therefore you’re calling him out. And you feel that Weiner has more influence than Supreme Justices. If your premise is true, maybe he should run for President!
Goofus, if you are calling ME ignorant, which is implied by your telling me I am free to subscribe to his (in your opinion) ignorant views and hold them as intellectual, then you are mistaken. He is no dummy, and neither am I. He can be incredibly abrasive, antireligious, and obnoxious, but he IS intelligent, so do not underestimate him out of some personal animus. Obama is ALSO intelligent, which is how he managed to get elected to a second term despite his questionable religious background, place of birth, and ability to show leadership and honorable behavior.
I don’t want to get into a political debate, and won’t engage, but you are entitled to your opinion.
I have no great love for Dr. Savage/Weiner, but neither do I think he is stupid. As to his views on autism, haven’t heard them, but assume he does not believe their is any correlation between autism and measles vaccine. And so?
“Every Jewish conservative must follow exactly the Torah, but Not liberals”
You can follow exactly the Torah and oppose MBP.
Golem Gorilla
“if Michael Savage were to run4prez he would win the presidential election hands down. “
Do you really think so or are you egging Health on?
(As an aside, You do not need to copy/paste entire conversations in your thread. To respond to a specific poster please just call (i.e type) their name. To respond to a specific point copy that point and that point only, not the entire back and forth exchange. Thank You)
OOmis
This is Michael Savges view on Autism:
“Now, the illness du jour is autism. You know what autism is? I’ll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it’s a brat who hasn’t been told to cut the act out. That’s what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they’re silent? They don’t have a father around to tell them, “Don’t act like a moron. You’ll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a [edited]. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don’t sit there crying and screaming, idiot.”
Ive never met him in real life. On the radio most of what he says is gibberish. You recognise it when it is about a subject you know a lot about, ask yourself what kind of person would speak so assuredly about a topic he obviously knows little to knowthing about and if you really think he only did it that one or two times that you recognised his ignorance.
To be fair if I had to speak for 3 hours straight every day no matter what whetehr or not their was anything new to report, I doubt I’d be able to speak inteligently for even an hour, obviously the bulk of what he says on any topic is ignorant gibberish.
Ironicaly while he does not believe in the existance of Autism (see above). I recently heard him say he thinks there may be somehting to the vaccine/Autism link. (I dont have the exact quote). A perfect example of what I refer to in my second paragraph. Not only is he an ignoramus, he is an ignoramus who disagrees with himself. And again, to be fair, if I spoke for 3 hours day in and day out on any topic no matter how little I knew on the subject, you can bet youll find self contradictary stamnets, as well.
Ironicaly while he does not believe in the existance of Autism (see above). I recently heard him say he thinks there may be somehting to the vaccine/Autism link.
If he was a Rishon, I would kler a chakirah: does he mean that the measles vaccine causes brattiness, or efshar the type of parents who vaccinate are bad disciplinarians, or a third tzad, he means the other 1%.
Ubiquitin, if he said what you quoted (and I have no reason not to trust what you said), then he shows an abysmal ignorance of what autism is. OK. However, the point he clearly was trying to make, and did rather badly, is that often we run to put a diagnosis of i.e, autism spectrum, ADHD, ADD, etc. on kids who really may have been poorly brought up AND ARE BRATS. Have you never seen a child throw a fit because he didn’t get his way? To an outside observer, not knowing the details, it could appear as hyperactivity.
Of course there exists a condition of autism, there is a condition of hyperactivity, there is a condition of Attention Deficit Disorder and Oppositional Defiance Disorder. However there most certainly also is a segment of the population suffering from BRAT disorder, Babies Raised Abominably Today. And I think that is probably what he meant, but said so poorly. Autism and other disorders are nothing to speak of pejoratively, and if he did that, shame on him. Even intelligent people say really appalling and unacceptably stupid things from time to time.
OOmis he did in fact say that verbatim. You can hear him on youtube if you’d like.
you say “then he shows an abysmal ignorance of what autism is. OK.”
So that is at the very least MBP and Autism that he is ignorant about, and yet doesnt hesitate to forcefully and assuredly share his opinions on the subject. This is not the sign of an intellectual.
you then try to reinterpret waht he was saying. He said nothing of the sort. He said (quote) “…I’ll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases…” He was not referring to a few brats who have a diagnosis that is rushed on them.
(Although of course afterwards he claimed it was “taken out of context” Though the only context his stament would be ok in is had he said “Only an ignoramus would say Now, the illness du jour is autism. You know what autism is? I’ll tell you …”)
This is why IRL I never get involved in political discussions. There will always be someone whose ox is being gored. I respect your right to like or not like Michael Savage. Personally, I find his style very abrasive. He cuts people off, and he often speaks about religious things about which he knows nothing. Nevertheless, he also says many things with which I find some merit. Can we move on now? Please?
Oomis,
After seeing the evidence of the lack of intelligence he has to speak about certain topics, why can’t you come to grips that he may also be very misinformed about politics and the social issues he discusses?
The guy is just there for entertainment, not to discuss anything in an intelligent manner.
OOmis To be clear I love michael savage. I listen to him whenever I get a chance I heard both the MBP and autsim discussions live (I never heard him on the IDF as OP mentioned, thats why Ive left it off.
As Goofus correctly points out he is there for entertainment I find him very entertaining. Stupid and uniformed but entertaining nonetheless.
That being said I second Goofus’s point to you
OK, I hear your points. I don’t happen to agree totally, but I understand your view. I am not entertained by the man, but I do think he makes some strong points. Perhaps you listen to him more than I (though given your opinion about him, I wonder why you would listen at all), so you know more about him than I do.
Michael Savage is what happens when a liberal idealist gets sick of trying to do good and decides to do what it takes to rake in cash and live the good life in his old age.
The guy spent basically his whole adult life until his 40s writing poetry, books on alternative medicine, and living on some pacific islands studying plants and then came back poor as dirt and realized that if idiots like Rush Limbaugh can make millions and millions of dollars spewing nonsense for hours everyday there’s no reason he shouldn’t get in on the action and make some money as well. So he did and does. (He also worked for Timothy Leary as a young adult.)
He’s an entertainer in the entertainment business who probably cannot believe that people take a lot of what he says as anything other then entertainment. He’s great at his job but if you take him seriously he probably gets as big a kick out of you as anyone else
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