June 26, 2018 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #1546659HaimyParticipant
How Jewish is our music & singing style if Hasidic music is now popular by aino yehudim? Has Jewish music so mirrored the pop culture that it’s pleasing to their ears?
Jewish music is slowly devolving into universalistic styles inorder to appeal to non Jewish audiences. The non Jewish market is obviously much larger than us & the lure of money & fame beckons to our entertainers.
Maybe we have gone too far. Maybe it’s time to produce authentic Jewish music. I doubt ainom will then find it pleasing.June 26, 2018 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1546884Midwest2Participant
Pretty much agree. I’ve quit listening to current “Jewish music” because it seems much more like rock than Modzhitz. And the volume level at chasunehs rivals that at 60s rock concerts, the ones that left so many of my generation hearing-impaired.
I was a big fan of Ben Zion Shenker, and had some of his older tapes. When I saw that “Shabbos in Modzhitz” was coming out (on cassette, in those days) I bought it almost immediately. I took it home, put it in the player, turned it on – and almost cried. All those beautiful Modzhitz nigunim had a ROCK BEAT behind them. So much for “Jewish” music.
Yes, we have a problem with below-the-radar assimilation, and our musical tastes are one element of that danger.June 26, 2018 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1546973👑RebYidd23Participant
What does it say if they enjoy the taste of kosher food? Does it mean our culinary standards have fallen so low?June 26, 2018 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1546992yitzchokmParticipant
As far as I understand, Mr Lemmer will be singing classical / Broadway Type music not necessarily Jewish music.June 26, 2018 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #1547022jakobParticipant
Almost all of our Jewish songs today come straight from the goyim with the same goyish team -that affects a person’s neshama with just changing the words to Jewish words.June 27, 2018 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #1547431HaimyParticipant
I’ve noticed a trend among heimishe rock singers of late. There’s much less of a yiddishkeit theme to the music. Much more universalistic themes are being used as lyrics with little connection to yiddishkeit. I now wonder if this shift is occurring to appeal to a non Jewish or frei audience.
It’s hard for me too grasp that a chasidishe yungerman is singing to a non Jewish mixed audience, something doesn’t jive well.June 27, 2018 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #1547685golferParticipant
Our own music can be very beautiful to the extent that others may appreciate it.
This doesn’t necessarily have to have negative connotations.
I knew a survivor from a town in Eastern Europe who told me about neighbors with a large family who had exceptional voices. On Friday nights “umos haolam” (as OP refers to them) could be seen standing beneath the windows of that home listening to the zemiros.June 27, 2018 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #1547728CSParticipant
It depends who. I looked up this shulem lemmer and listened to two of his songs, tniyaleh and a bit of the amar reb yosi, and they were both very earnest and eidel. I am a bit disappointed that he has agreed to sing non Jewish songs instead of insisting on singing yiddishe taam type of songs only which they can market in the name of diversity if they like, but that’s my thoughts.
It is a dangerous path to take to start compromising ones standards and bowing to secular norms, even within halacha, as bh it seems he has his Rabbanim he follows,and hopefully he’ll come to that conclusion and stronger geon Yaakov himself.
As far as the rock discussion etc. We had a presentation on music in seminary and it seems that Jewish music takes the current musical trend but infuses it with kedusha, thus elevating the style of music.
In not talking about singers who take non Jewish songs and put some tehillim to that – I think it’s a disgrace as the tune comes from the soul and inspirations of the composer and that’s not a match…
Rather for example, sephardi music has a definite different flavour to it than German ashkenazi Zemiros in line with the different music cultures of their respective countries.
But tellingly, the Arab music tends to go down with a depressing tone, whereas sephardi music is uplifting, filed with the joy of being connected to Hashem.
German music is cold and unfeeling whereas the Jewish music is permeated with an aidelkeit – submission to Hashem’s Will.
With the rock – we can say that the goishe rock is filed with immorality, while proper Jewish beaty music is infused with energy, koach and leaves one with the feeling that we can overcome our obstacles…June 27, 2018 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #15486751Participant
Ever heard of Yossele Rosenblatt? He was pretty famous.June 28, 2018 12:05 am at 12:05 am #1548697☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
Maybe it’s time to produce authentic Jewish music. I doubt ainom will then find it pleasing.
Why? Good music is good music.June 28, 2018 12:06 am at 12:06 am #1548696☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
How Jewish is our music & singing style if Hasidic music is now popular by aino yehudim?
Examples? (I don’t think the Lemmer deal is one.)
And if frum Jews liked a non-Jewish song, would that have similar implications?
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