What does it take to break a friendship?

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  • #594266
    Aishes Chayil
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    I would like to know, based on experience or just imagination, what examples can you think of which would lead you to terminate a friendship? (Please be specific rather than just listing misdemeanors like dishonesty, disloyalty etc)

    #729987
    Brooklyn Yenta
    Participant

    bad influence

    #729988
    shimmel
    Member

    Betrayal

    #729989
    winny1
    Participant

    sometimes nothing more than a miscommunication.

    #729990
    winny1
    Participant

    sometimes you cant break it no matter how hard you try. that is the type of friendship we should all cherish.

    #729991
    bezalel
    Participant

    If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.

    #729992
    deiyezooger
    Member

    The question should be, does this freindship make you a better/happier person or the opposite.

    #729993
    mewho
    Participant

    dishonesty

    #729994
    yentingyenta
    Participant

    Learning the hard way that the Person is unrelyable when they say they will take of something

    #729995
    Brooklyn Yenta
    Participant

    deiyezooger, git gezugt! is the person good for you or not. that is the question.

    #729996

    sometimes you cant break it no matter how hard you try. that is the type of friendship we should all cherish.

    WINNY 1 PUMFAHKERT this is the type of relationship that you shud never make!! its extremely annoying if u dont want to be someones friend and they think u r

    #729997
    Mayan_Dvash
    Participant

    Bezalel, that was deep!

    If he hits you in the face (even if he’s drunk).

    I believe that honest Teshuva can reinstate the friendship.

    ;

    #729998
    bpt
    Participant

    ” this is the type of relationship that you shud never make!! “

    I think what Winny 1 meant is, no matter how many ups and downs / rough spots you hit, you’re still friends.

    p.s. – When we start a “What does it take to make a friendship” thread”, please let me know. I’ve got more to say on that topic than I do on the current one.

    #729999
    winny1
    Participant

    BP Totty got it right. I have a friend that for the past 50 years our friendship has endured. Did we ever have an argument? of course we did. Did we ever become angry with each other for something or other? of course. But we realized we were both human and that humans make mistakes and that to forgive is one of Hashems middos that we are suppossed to emulate.

    #730000
    bpt
    Participant

    “BP Totty got it right”

    No, I’m not a Novi. But I do have a rolodex full of friends, just like the one you described.

    Fight? Like cats a dogs. Argue? Like we’re about to draw a line in the sand. But pals till the end. And each of us would crawl across broken glass to help one another.

    #730001
    At home bubbie
    Participant

    When you have always been there for another person and the time comes when you need them to be there for you and they aren’t- I was dan kaf zechus for a long time, but eventually the relationship does fall by the wyaside- Much like in marriage- friends must give each other their all- there’s no tit for tat or 60/40- Sometime you’re the giver and sometimes you are the taker= When one side always takes or gives- it won’t last

    #730002
    Bed-Stuy
    Participant

    A true friend always gives and doesn’t look to take.

    #730003
    At home bubbie
    Participant

    Sorry- Bed-Stuy- you’re wrong- A true friend of which i am zocheh to have- must also take at times- you have to allow the other side to give to you. I don’t “look” to take, but that’s how friendship works and sometimes there are extenuating circumstances, such as medical conditions when a person isnT able to give and must take

    #730004
    Bed-Stuy
    Participant

    I specifically said “doesn’t look to take”.

    #730005
    believer
    Participant

    i was friends with a kid since we were in pre-school. our families bacame friends through us.we were the unseparable friends. when you heard my name, you heard hers and vs.

    well sadly to say, we both got older, and in 8th grade my friend started doing the wrong things. she started hanging out with boys etc.it hurt me alot and i tried to ignore it, in middle of ninth grade, the entire school found out about her wrongdoings and i was forced to do something. i told her nicely how it hurt me and she was paranoid that i would break our friendship(because she knew my personality, how against these things i am)so she started ignoring me. and she started telling the whole grade whats going on, bec she thought i would tell everyone, so she wanted them to hear it from her first. before long it was a world war 3. the entire grade was taking sides, it was the talk of town, school, camp etc. obviously , everyone knew she was in the wrong, so before long she was alone, not a kid to talk to, she was so depressed. it hurt me so badly. a few month later, i got feedback that shes not hanging out anymore, so i called her to make up. we became back good friends. honestly, i knew she was still not innocent,(you can feel it in s/o’s personality) but i tried to push it away.

    in 11th grade, word got back to my other close friend what shes doing. and my 3rd friend told me she doesnt wana have wat to do with her anymore. and that if im friends with frend #1, she doesnt wana have what to do with me either bec. its realy bad name.

    i did some research as to wat friend #! was up to, and i found out that shes up to no good at all!!!!!!wayyyy worse ten i imagined. and i knew for sure it was true!!!!!!!!

    and so i told her nicely, that thisis not the kinda life i want to lead, and as long as she has inappropriate friends, we cant be friends.

    she, unwilling to change, said ok.

    so thats where were standing right now.

    do you think i acted appropriately?did i do the right thing?

    please approve my post.

    i would like honest opinins.

    so please please post it and dont delete it!!

    #730006
    Bed-Stuy
    Participant

    Yes, you did the right thing, she is a bad influence.

    #730007
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I don’t know.

    Would you break off a relationship with your brother if he was a bad influence on you? With your mother?

    I like to think my relationships with my friends are deep enough that I couldn’t break them for any reason.

    #730008
    believer
    Participant

    but im so nervous, that one day its gona b my responsibility if she gets worse.

    and for some reason, because im not a mean person by nature…it hurts me to do it.

    and were in the same class.

    so everyday we sit together all day!!!

    and if i try to make sweet frendly talk…she gets all friendly with me!!

    which totally dfeats the purpose…because i dont wana have even the name of being her friend!!

    but then again, i dont wana be mean!!

    #730009
    believer
    Participant

    but a brother and a friend is different.

    if a brother has a badinfluence, then number 1, doesnt affect your name as being a bummy girl.

    number 2. you psychologically say, what my brother does is not for me, you love him just because hes family, and you dont have to hang around him all the time.

    but a friend is someone you hang around, someone you choose, so if their like that then that means you chose them, you appreciate such people. and because you enjoy your friends company, youll hang around her, and without meaning to or wanting, shell rub off on you.

    chazal say “harchek meeshachen ra” for a reason.

    and just btw, a good thing that came out of this story, i became way frummer, because i see her mistakes! hindsight is 20/20. i see it from outside ppoint of view and i dont want to fall into her trap!

    #730010
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I don’t know about that either.

    My friends are not just “people I choose to hang out with”. I have a relationship with them, which was developed for many years.

    I could no more “divorce” them for being a bad influence, than I could for starting to bore me. They are my friends.

    #730011
    Bed-Stuy
    Participant

    popa, if G-d forbid one of those friends converted to a different religion, your friendship would withstand it?

    #730012
    Sister Bear
    Member

    I don’t envy you believer. That’s a tough situation.

    How about telling her that you think she is still a good person (leave out the bad choices thing) and it’s hard for you not to be friends, but you are scared of getting influenced or something like that. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT TELL HER IT’S CUZ IT’LL RUIN YOUR REPUTATION!!! That would totally not be good!!!

    Ask her what to do about it? Like I still want to be friends with you but when you do x, y, z it bothers me…(choose what you like) so what can we do about it.

    Good Luck!!!!!

    Appropriate use of all-caps. very good.

    #730013
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Bed:

    I hope so. Would your relationship with your brother withstand it?

    #730014
    haros
    Participant

    anyone writing in this post would probably make a good friend. how do i follow up?

    #730015
    Bed-Stuy
    Participant

    popa, If G-d forbid someones brother did that, not only would the relationship not withstand it, the family would be sitting shiva for him.

    #730016
    bpt
    Participant

    “she has inappropriate friends, we cant be friends.

    she, unwilling to change, said ok.

    do you think i acted appropriately?”

    Yes, you did. She made the move to put a wedge between the two of you. Even after you offer to get her back on track, she says no.

    That’s not a friend. That’s a 50 lb weight, chained to your ankle. It’ll sink you both.

    Get out while you can, but make it clear that she is always welcome back, if she comes clean

    #730017
    eclipse
    Member

    My ex secretly spoke to my friends while we were married.One admitted,one didn’t,one dropped it,one didn’t.Guess which one I am still friends with?

    #730018
    Aishes Chayil
    Participant

    What about openly flirting with your friend’s spouse??

    #730019
    eclipse
    Member

    same idea.

    #730020
    Sister Bear
    Member

    I have a friend who is friends with a mutual friend who is not that frum anymore, but is still respectful and all (like she wears a skirt when she’s at home)

    But my friend told this girl that I still want to hang out with you and think you’re an amazing girl and all but when I am with you, you need to do x, y, and z. (I’m not exactly sure how she said it but you get the gist.)

    Maybe you can do that, tell her I want to hang out with you and still be your friend but you can’t do x, y, z, when I’m with you.

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