What’ is a “Person of Color”?

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    Redleg
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    I am a Jew. I can trace my Ancestry back to the 1600s of the Common Era. Ancestry.com tells me that I am 100% Eastern European Jew. I have what’s called an olive complexion as did my Mother and those of her ancestors of whom I have photos. I have a deep sun tan and my exposed skin is quite dark, certainly darker than AOC’s. Am I a “Person of Color”? If i’m not, what is a “Person of Color”?

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    #1762084

    Joseph
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    A person of color is whatever the leftists currently define as a protected minority against the evil majority.

    #1762087

    akuperma
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    Originally “Colored” was the polite way to say “Black”. Today Black politicians use the phrase in order to make their group seem bigger. Various other groups defined as non-white use the phrase to argue they are really oppressed. One problem is that some persons of European ancestry are darker than many “people of color”. The biggest problem is that when you average in American born Hispanics and especially Asians, the average suggests “People of color” have the same economic level as “Whites”, thereby roving that racial discrimination is NOT a major factor in America.

    Like all “racial” terms, one should assume the users are fools and racists, and also probable anti-religious (since on a fundamental level they are rejecting the idea that HaShem created the human race and that all people are closely related).

    #1762091

    jdf007
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    Ms. Sarsour says that when she puts on her headwrap in the morning she “becomes a person of color”. I like to change that to “transforms”. Therefore, if you are an orthodox man or woman, it sounds like you fit the definition of person of color.

    And I agree with Redleg and got the message between the lines. Yeah, everyones a person of color. As long as your not Republican that is. (Yes, I have heard multiple times that Justice Thomas is not considered one due to his leanings).

    #1762093

    iacisrmma
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    Depends who you ask.

    #1762094

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Joe is 100% correct

    Just ask Mrs Pressley

    #1762195

    adocs
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    White is a color. Therefore I am also a person of color.

    #1762246

    klugeryid
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    A non albino

    #1762247

    rational
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    white is not a color

    #1762249

    rational
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    white is not a color
    but then again, neither is black or tan or brown.

    #1762251

    rational
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    white is not a pure color
    but then again, neither is black or tan or brown.

    #1762298

    BneiBarakObama
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    Everyone knows that black is not a pretty color. so its blashon sagi nahor

    #1762403

    Avi K
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    1. Neither white nor black is a color. the former is the presence of all colors and the latter is the absence of all color.

    2. Jews are neither black nor white but in between (Mishna, Nega’im 2:1).

    3. I have known several colorful people both Jewish and non-Jewish,

    #1762737

    DovidBT
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    Why is it ok to say “people of color” but not “colored people”? What’s the difference?

    #1762838

    The little I know
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    Some Chassishe Rebbes are. Just check out the many photos of them, many of which appear on the pages of YWN.

    #1763190

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    A person of color is one who may not be criticized or reprimanded in any way, shape, or form no matter what egregious acts they commit.

    #1763228

    👑RebYidd23
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    DovidBT, different meanings, different historical context.

    #1763252

    Joseph
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    Dovid: One must check with the PC Police to know what the currently correct terminology is and which terms are forbidden.

    #1763279

    👑RebYidd23
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    I thought conservatives liked the police.

    #1763373

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    I thought liberals hated the police.

    #1763379

    👑RebYidd23
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    Neville, as a liberal, you are an expert on this subject, so I believe you.

    #1763289

    laskern
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    BneiBarak Obama, we find by Miriam Behaloscho כי אשה כושית לקח. This is the Midrash:

    ספרי במדבר פרשת בהעלותך פיסקא צט
    כי אשה כושית לקח עוד למה נאמר [והלא כבר נאמר] על אודות האשה הכושית אלא מה ת”ל כי אשה כושית לקח יש לך אשה נאה ביופיה ולא במעשיה במעשיה ולא ביופיה כמה שנאמר נזם זהב באף חזיר אשה יפה וסרת טעם (משלי יא כב) זאת נאה בנויה ונאה במעשיה לכך נאמר כי אשה כושית לקח (סליק פיסקא).

    #1763463

    laskern
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    According to the Midrash above, Tzipora was beautiful physically, because black is beautiful, and beautiful spritually, so Miriam held that there was no reason for Moshe Rabbenu to separate himself from her.

    #1764422

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Tzipora was not black.

    #1764466

    👑RebYidd23
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    Color was invented in 1907.

    #1764566

    laskern
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    Nev, the Ibn Ezra says that Tzipora was black.

    #1765941

    BneiBarakObama
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    Thank you for your Shtikle Toirah.

    #1766012

    PracticalPost
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    In the healthcare field, there is a concept of “person first” language. Basically, you dont want to identify the person by a visible characteristic, rather by who they are as a person. So, ininstead of saying that someone is autistic, you would say “a person with autism”, as that should not be their defining trait. I’m assuming the same logic is used in “person of color”!

    #1766232

    👑RebYidd23
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    PracticalPost, that is far from universally accepted. Many find it infantilizing.

    #1766265

    PracticalPost
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    Just throwing out there some logic behind it. Some find it offending, some dont. I’m still a bit unsure what I think of it myself.

    #1766271

    👑RebYidd23
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    Euphemisms of any kind are offensive, because they imply that the subject is so shocking that it cannot be stated directly.

    #1766281

    PracticalPost
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    My apologies, did not mean for it to be so.

    #1766283

    That’s not a euphemism

    #1766295

    DovidBT
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    @practicalpost
    Thanks for the “person first” explanation.

    I suppose other examples could be:

    “troll” vs. “person who trolls”
    “moderator” vs. “person who moderates”

    #1766297

    Gadolhadorah
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    In Africa, a “white” person would be a “person of color”. I think the term is clearly meant to reference miniority population or ethnic groups who may be subject to discriminaotry treatment by the majority.

    #1766338

    PracticalPost
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    Dovid BT:
    Great alternate examples 🙂

    #1766318

    interjection
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    “That’s not a euphemism”

    That’s the problem with social justice language. No one can figure out why some terms are more offensive than others.

    #1766417

    DovidBT
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    No one can figure out why some terms are more offensive than others.

    Maybe that’s the point:

    Put your opponent on the defensive by confusing him, and gain power over him by forcing him to accept your irrational demands.
    “The Art of War”, by Sun Tzu

    #1766507

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    “Euphemisms of any kind are offensive, because they imply that the subject is so shocking that it cannot be stated directly.”

    Do you think it’s offensive to say “passed away” instead of “died?” Or, “took his own life” instead of “killed himself?”

    #1767029

    DovidBT
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    Do you think it’s offensive to say “passed away” instead of “died?” Or, “took his own life” instead of “killed himself?”

    If those are euphemisms, I think they fall into a different category than ones such as “affirmative action” or “undocumented immigrant”. Your examples use polite language, the latter distort the underlying meanings.

    How about describing a bank robber as an “aspiring account holder”?

    #1767373

    laskern
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    I think it is the same as nifrar, passed away is a nice expression.

    #1767322

    👑RebYidd23
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    Neville, those are either offensive, or the subject is so shocking that it cannot be stated directly.

    #1767470

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    “Neville, those are either offensive”
    Ah, so you mean offensive as in “offensive odor” or something that doesn’t go over well in polite society? Not offensive as in “you assumption of my gender is offensive.”

    “I think they fall into a different category than ones such as “affirmative action” or “undocumented immigrant”.”
    I’m sorry, but what is affirmative action a euphemism for? I’ve only ever heard it used in its most literal definition: a law requiring less qualified blacks/women to be hired instead of more qualified white males.

    #1767512

    DovidBT
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    I’m sorry, but what is affirmative action a euphemism for? I’ve only ever heard it used in its most literal definition: a law requiring less qualified blacks/women to be hired instead of more qualified white males.

    Isn’t that what makes it a euphemism? I’m using the definition, “A euphemism is a generally innocuous word or expression used in place of one that may be found offensive or suggest something unpleasant.”

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