July 21, 2019 10:06 am at 10:06 am #1761931RedlegParticipant
I am a Jew. I can trace my Ancestry back to the 1600s of the Common Era. Ancestry.com tells me that I am 100% Eastern European Jew. I have what’s called an olive complexion as did my Mother and those of her ancestors of whom I have photos. I have a deep sun tan and my exposed skin is quite dark, certainly darker than AOC’s. Am I a “Person of Color”? If i’m not, what is a “Person of Color”?
EditedJuly 21, 2019 10:49 am at 10:49 am #1762084JosephParticipant
A person of color is whatever the leftists currently define as a protected minority against the evil majority.July 21, 2019 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1762087akupermaParticipant
Originally “Colored” was the polite way to say “Black”. Today Black politicians use the phrase in order to make their group seem bigger. Various other groups defined as non-white use the phrase to argue they are really oppressed. One problem is that some persons of European ancestry are darker than many “people of color”. The biggest problem is that when you average in American born Hispanics and especially Asians, the average suggests “People of color” have the same economic level as “Whites”, thereby roving that racial discrimination is NOT a major factor in America.
Like all “racial” terms, one should assume the users are fools and racists, and also probable anti-religious (since on a fundamental level they are rejecting the idea that HaShem created the human race and that all people are closely related).July 21, 2019 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm #1762091jdf007Participant
Ms. Sarsour says that when she puts on her headwrap in the morning she “becomes a person of color”. I like to change that to “transforms”. Therefore, if you are an orthodox man or woman, it sounds like you fit the definition of person of color.
And I agree with Redleg and got the message between the lines. Yeah, everyones a person of color. As long as your not Republican that is. (Yes, I have heard multiple times that Justice Thomas is not considered one due to his leanings).July 21, 2019 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm #1762093iacisrmmaParticipant
Depends who you ask.July 21, 2019 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm #1762094☕️coffee addictParticipant
Joe is 100% correct
Just ask Mrs PressleyJuly 21, 2019 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #1762195adocsParticipant
White is a color. Therefore I am also a person of color.July 21, 2019 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1762246klugeryidParticipant
A non albinoJuly 21, 2019 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1762247
white is not a colorJuly 21, 2019 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1762249
white is not a color
but then again, neither is black or tan or brown.July 21, 2019 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #1762251
white is not a pure color
but then again, neither is black or tan or brown.July 21, 2019 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #1762298BneiBarakObamaParticipant
Everyone knows that black is not a pretty color. so its blashon sagi nahorJuly 22, 2019 8:19 am at 8:19 am #1762403Avi KParticipant
1. Neither white nor black is a color. the former is the presence of all colors and the latter is the absence of all color.
2. Jews are neither black nor white but in between (Mishna, Nega’im 2:1).
3. I have known several colorful people both Jewish and non-Jewish,July 22, 2019 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1762737
Why is it ok to say “people of color” but not “colored people”? What’s the difference?July 22, 2019 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm #1762838The little I knowParticipant
Some Chassishe Rebbes are. Just check out the many photos of them, many of which appear on the pages of YWN.July 22, 2019 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1763190
A person of color is one who may not be criticized or reprimanded in any way, shape, or form no matter what egregious acts they commit.July 22, 2019 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #1763228
DovidBT, different meanings, different historical context.July 22, 2019 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1763252JosephParticipant
Dovid: One must check with the PC Police to know what the currently correct terminology is and which terms are forbidden.July 22, 2019 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #1763279
I thought conservatives liked the police.July 22, 2019 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #1763373
I thought liberals hated the police.July 22, 2019 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #1763379
Neville, as a liberal, you are an expert on this subject, so I believe you.July 22, 2019 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #1763289
BneiBarak Obama, we find by Miriam Behaloscho כי אשה כושית לקח. This is the Midrash:
ספרי במדבר פרשת בהעלותך פיסקא צט
כי אשה כושית לקח עוד למה נאמר [והלא כבר נאמר] על אודות האשה הכושית אלא מה ת”ל כי אשה כושית לקח יש לך אשה נאה ביופיה ולא במעשיה במעשיה ולא ביופיה כמה שנאמר נזם זהב באף חזיר אשה יפה וסרת טעם (משלי יא כב) זאת נאה בנויה ונאה במעשיה לכך נאמר כי אשה כושית לקח (סליק פיסקא).July 23, 2019 9:53 am at 9:53 am #1763463
According to the Midrash above, Tzipora was beautiful physically, because black is beautiful, and beautiful spritually, so Miriam held that there was no reason for Moshe Rabbenu to separate himself from her.July 23, 2019 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1764422
Tzipora was not black.July 23, 2019 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #1764466
Color was invented in 1907.July 23, 2019 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1764566
Nev, the Ibn Ezra says that Tzipora was black.July 28, 2019 1:21 am at 1:21 am #1765941BneiBarakObamaParticipant
Thank you for your Shtikle Toirah.July 28, 2019 8:41 am at 8:41 am #1766012
In the healthcare field, there is a concept of “person first” language. Basically, you dont want to identify the person by a visible characteristic, rather by who they are as a person. So, ininstead of saying that someone is autistic, you would say “a person with autism”, as that should not be their defining trait. I’m assuming the same logic is used in “person of color”!July 28, 2019 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1766232
PracticalPost, that is far from universally accepted. Many find it infantilizing.July 28, 2019 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #1766265
Just throwing out there some logic behind it. Some find it offending, some dont. I’m still a bit unsure what I think of it myself.July 28, 2019 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1766271
Euphemisms of any kind are offensive, because they imply that the subject is so shocking that it cannot be stated directly.July 28, 2019 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1766281
My apologies, did not mean for it to be so.July 28, 2019 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #1766283YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
That’s not a euphemismJuly 29, 2019 1:12 am at 1:12 am #1766295
Thanks for the “person first” explanation.
I suppose other examples could be:
“troll” vs. “person who trolls”
“moderator” vs. “person who moderates”July 29, 2019 1:13 am at 1:13 am #1766297GadolhadorahParticipant
In Africa, a “white” person would be a “person of color”. I think the term is clearly meant to reference miniority population or ethnic groups who may be subject to discriminaotry treatment by the majority.July 29, 2019 7:49 am at 7:49 am #1766338
Great alternate examples 🙂July 29, 2019 8:25 am at 8:25 am #1766318interjectionParticipant
“That’s not a euphemism”
That’s the problem with social justice language. No one can figure out why some terms are more offensive than others.July 29, 2019 10:33 am at 10:33 am #1766417
No one can figure out why some terms are more offensive than others.
Maybe that’s the point:
Put your opponent on the defensive by confusing him, and gain power over him by forcing him to accept your irrational demands.
“The Art of War”, by Sun TzuJuly 29, 2019 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #1766507
“Euphemisms of any kind are offensive, because they imply that the subject is so shocking that it cannot be stated directly.”
Do you think it’s offensive to say “passed away” instead of “died?” Or, “took his own life” instead of “killed himself?”July 29, 2019 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #1767029
Do you think it’s offensive to say “passed away” instead of “died?” Or, “took his own life” instead of “killed himself?”
If those are euphemisms, I think they fall into a different category than ones such as “affirmative action” or “undocumented immigrant”. Your examples use polite language, the latter distort the underlying meanings.
How about describing a bank robber as an “aspiring account holder”?July 30, 2019 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm #1767373
I think it is the same as nifrar, passed away is a nice expression.July 30, 2019 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #1767322
Neville, those are either offensive, or the subject is so shocking that it cannot be stated directly.July 30, 2019 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #1767470
“Neville, those are either offensive”
Ah, so you mean offensive as in “offensive odor” or something that doesn’t go over well in polite society? Not offensive as in “you assumption of my gender is offensive.”
“I think they fall into a different category than ones such as “affirmative action” or “undocumented immigrant”.”
I’m sorry, but what is affirmative action a euphemism for? I’ve only ever heard it used in its most literal definition: a law requiring less qualified blacks/women to be hired instead of more qualified white males.July 30, 2019 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #1767512
I’m sorry, but what is affirmative action a euphemism for? I’ve only ever heard it used in its most literal definition: a law requiring less qualified blacks/women to be hired instead of more qualified white males.
Isn’t that what makes it a euphemism? I’m using the definition, “A euphemism is a generally innocuous word or expression used in place of one that may be found offensive or suggest something unpleasant.”
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