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Submit your ideas for the motivation to forbid Jews from entering. It isn’t because of covid, that is for certain. Not since the wicked Romans under emperor Hadrian were Jews banished from Yerushalayim. Are they afraid of an Anglo takeover?
As this is going on forever I’m wondering what those in charge are thinking. But let’s be honest here, they are shutting it down to non-Jewish tourists as well and while no one was allowed to enter, students, mainly Yeshiva students, were allowed in.
So yes, I think the Israeli government is horrible for shutting down the borders for 1.5 years, but it’s not about discrimination, it’s about their faulty thinking that they can make covid go away by shutting down the country and vaccinating.
Interestingly enough, missionaries are being allowed in by the plane full…
Jews from all backgrounds are welcome to make aliyah to Israel, so you’re full of nonsense.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Several of my friends have been to Israel recently.
Shimon > It isn’t because of covid, that is for certain.
Shimon, I think this is their sneaky way not to allow people who think like above. I don’t think there is a mitzva of taki visiting Eretz Isroel while increasing their chance of getting some new variant … Better go visit North Korea while you have time on your hands, shake hands with Kim after coughing.
Entering Israel is a zechus, not a right.
Feel such a strong pull to being there? Make aliya, as many thousands have during the Covid pandemic.Shimon, all countries treat citizens differently from visitors for COVID. They need to manage risk and this makes sense. The best way for you to visit Ey might be to enter yericho from Jordan, or hang out on the other side of Golan or litani River. This way you don’t need to deal with gazlanim and you will not expose Jews to extra virus.
A couple of observations:
Concerning Aliyah vs visits. While tourism is closed for Jews and Gentiles alike (until Nov 1, maybe), making Aliyah is still possible, its just that that the consular requirements are involved, time consuming and a general pain.The real problem is that closing Israel to foreign tourists makes no sense. Israelis are free to travel all over the world and return. Why is that less of a risk than allowing foreign tourists in?
> Why is that less of a risk than allowing foreign tourists in?
All countries balance risk v. economy and voter satisfaction. Also, a country has certain obligations towards citizen. Every country does that, not just Israel. Practically speaking, you can hope that the citizen will go home and you can even ask him to stay home. The tourist will roam around immediately. Also, I believe Israelis returning from certain “red countries” are currently subject to quarantine.
Anyway, you can always argue on particulars of a particular decisions in each country, but that is why the countries have governments to make some reasonable decision, and you have a right to appeal to a court or vote in next election. You should not get too much upset every time you are not in a majority on an issue.
And, also, as R Meir Twersky wrote early on, politicians are bound by the desire to be re-elected, so Jews who value life more than economy and tourism should be more careful than they allow.
Shimon, I think I responded to your question: a country needs to limit movement to increase safety. So, they use priorities. Citizens allowed, others not. It is not so much that one is safer than the other, but they need to limit someone, and they start with outsiders. So, do other countries.
Shimon > I have always noticed a slight animosity towards frum people from abroad.
I have a picture in my mind that shows the oppiste. It was some time ago, though. Two “frum” anglo kids in Shabbos clothes on the way to kosel play-fight each other. A passer-by local Arab tells them “Do not fight on shabbat”. No animosity at all! The kids stare. I wish the Arab “Shabbat Shalom”, he wishes me.
@Shimon Nodel – Stay in the US if you truly believe the narishkeit you wrote.
@Shimon Nodel
Best stay away if the State of Israel is a on a mission to ‘metamei’ you with their ‘krum mentality’!Safer to stay in the USA.
“You could make aliyah”
That is their excuse. So Jews have no birthright to enter the country, but rather to become citizens of the country.RE animosity.
I find in Israel there is animosity toward “frum Anglos,” but [non – frum] Israelis in Chutz Laaretz don’t harbor such animosity towards the frum there.
Which makes sense.“I find in Israel there is animosity toward “frum Anglos”.
Total bunk. It’s very clear that most of the folks here don’t interact with the average Israeli. But that’s no surprise considering most of y’all limit yourselves to Anglo areas (i.e. Jerusalem, Bet Shemesh, etc.) and don’t even attempt to venture out to non-Anglo enclaves. Y’all are pontificating based on an abysmal lack of evidence. (After living in Israel for more than a decade, living well outside of what I call the “Anglo Bubble”, I can speak pretty authoritatively about this.)
As for “לך עבוד אלהים אחרים” – I would be smart to “מדבר שקר תרחק” and stop acting like a רוכל and מוציא שם רע with regard to nearly 7-8 million of your fellow Jews.
Because of covid isn’t that obvious
Don’t be an idiate Israel is saving its citizens from covid I myself
Think Israel victimises the frum people but this acustation is redicilous
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